Mjreard

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Thinking, writing, and tweeting from Berkeley California. Previously, I ran programs at the Institute for Law & AI, worked on the one-on-one advising team at 80,000 Hours in London and as a patent litigator at Sidley Austin in Chicago.

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Slides are quite good. Maybe this is somewhat played-out, but liberal influencers should take up a tack of commenting on how right-wing influencers claims just don't square with people's everyday lives. Like "have you really seen cartels murdering people, in your neighborhood? Or is that just something people on the internet are talking about?"

I agree. Basically anyone not in a politically sensitive role (this category is broader than it might intuitively seem) should be looking to make large donations in this area now and others should be reaching out to EAs focused on US politics if they feel well equipped to run or contribute to a high leverage project.

Unfortunately there is no AMF/GiveDirectly for politics and most things you can donate too are very poorly leveraged. Likewise it is hard to both scope a leveraged project and execute well on it. I know of one general exception at the moment which I'm happy to recommend privately.

I'm also happy to speak to anyone who intends to devote considerable money or work resources to this and pass them along to the people doing the best work here if that makes sense. 

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Over the last decade, we should have invested more in community growth at the expense of research.

Being very confident on this question because would be questioning a pretty marked success, but it does seems like 1) we're short of the absolute talent/power threshold big problems demand and 2) like energy/talent/resources have been sucked out of good growth engines multiple times in the past decade.

I agree this is quite bad practice in general, though see my other comment for why I think these are not especially bad cases. 

A central error in these cases is assuming audiences will draw the wrong inferences from your true view and do bad things because of that. As far as I can tell, no one has full command of the epistemic dynamics here to be able to say that with confidence and then act on it. If you aren't explicit and transparent about your reasoning, people can make any number of assumptions, others can poke holes in your less-than-fully-endorsed claim and undermine the claim or undermine your credibility and people can use that to justify all kinds of things.

You need to trust that your audience will understand your true view or that you can communicate it properly. Any alternative assumption is speculation whose consequences you should feel more, not less, responsible for since you decided to mislead people for the sake of the consequences rather than simply being transparent and letting the audience take responsibility for how they react to what you say.

I think people who do the bad version of this often have this ~thought experiment in mind: "my audience would rather I tell them the thing that makes their lives better than the literal content of my thoughts." As a member of your audience, I agree. I don't, however, agree with the subtly altered, but more realistic version of the thought experiment: "my audience would rather I tell them the thing that I think makes their lives better than the literal content of my thoughts."

I agree that people should be doing a better job here. As you say, you can just explain what you're doing and articulate your confidence in specific claims. 

The thing you want to track is confidence*importance. MacAskill and Ball do worse than Piper here. Both of them were making fundamental claims about their primary projects/areas of expertise, and all claims in those two areas are somewhat low confidence and people adjust their expectations that.

MacAskill and Ball both have defenses too. In MackAskill's case, he's got a big body of other work that makes it fairly clear DGB was not a comprehensive account of his all-things-considered views. It'd be nice to clear up the confusion by stating how he resolves the tension between different works of his, but the audience can also read them and resolve the tension for themselves. The specific content of William MacAskill's brain is just not the thing that matters and its fine for him to act that way as long as he's not being systematically misleading.

Ball looks worse, but I wouldn't be surprised if he alluded to his true view somewhere public and he merely chose not to emphasize it so as to better navigate an insane political environment. If not, that's bad, but again there's a valid move of saying "here are some rationales for doing X" that doesn't obligate you to disclose the ones you care most about, though this is risky business and a mild negative update on your trustworthiness.     

Contrarian marketing like this seems like it would only work well if the thing being opposed was extremely well known, which I don't think Veganuary is.

Many creators act as though Youtube's algorithm disfavors content that refers to graphic acts of sex and violence, i.e., bleeping words like 'kill' or 'suicide' or referring to these in very circuitous ways. I would guess these are incomplete methods of avoidance and that YT tries to keep up by detecting these workarounds. Seems like a potential issue for the MechaHitler video. 

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Don't do illegal things (or things that excessively pollute the commons), but I think there's value in having attractive signage with QR codes to central resources in places where that's accepted, especially e.g. university message boards.

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