well worth the time, and for sure! here are a few thoughts:

• importance of targeted channels / personas, building a funnel, focus on the user

+10000 and advice i've given to folks working on any kind of CB / meta work. targeting users is always a good think (and you can always increase the personas you support over time). careers just take time to change, very much a marathon not a sprint (low hanging fruit are limited).

EA overall (EA thinking, funders, some parts of the EA community) have more blindspots / a lot of suspicion around longer impact timelines (this has it's benefits / it's good to stay focused and it's very easy to avoid hard questions when your TOC becomes too long). But I think this has resulted in a lack of infra / longer term thinking especially when it comes to career advising. I want to get a more diverse funding landscape with funders taking slightly different strategies and doing active grantmaking to hopefully foster more of this.

• talent density on a team

I like the "hire slowly fire quickly" framing - although it can be tough in practice. I think it's really easy to get into scarcity mindset around hires / fear the cost of replacing a team member.

• hiring is hard (yes! especially for meta work!)

• adding more sectors for careers i am very curious on what your research finds re finding more impactful jobs / removing that as a bottleneck for impact - that's something i've been thinking about a bit in the GCBR context (where there are even fewer very explicitly EA/GCBR aligned orgs, and a lot of opportunities for impact are at other places).

(Also i can't believe it's already been 5 years - congrats on that!!)

Thank you for writing this! Your observations match many of my intuitions about the career advising landscape, it's really helpful to get the confirmation since your team has been doing this for so many years.

This is one of the most useful posts I've read on the forum this year.

Thanks so much for sharing these insights! Over the past few years I've seen the inner workings of leadership at many orgs, and come to appreciate how complex and difficult navigating this space can be, so I appreciate your candor (and humor/fun!)

Sebastian addressed this in a comment below. I'll also add that the Hub is a volunteer-run project, and we have limited time / resources. 

Fair point, I couldn't find a link to point to the budget, but:

"We launched this program in July 2022. In its first 12 months, the program had a budget of $10 million."

From their website - https://www.openphilanthropy.org/focus/ea-global-health-and-wellbeing/

I don't think they had dramatically more money in 2023, and (without checking the numbers again to save time) I am pretty sure they mostly maxed out their budget both years.

They also have a much smaller budget (as indicated by total spend per year). 

You can see a direct comparison of total funding in this post I wrote: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/nnTQaLpBfy2znG5vm/the-flow-of-funding-in-ea-movement-building#Overall_picture

However, distancing yourself from 'small r' rationality is far more radical and likely less considered.

Could you share some examples of where people have done this or called for it? 

From what I've seen online and the in person EA community members I know, people seem pretty clear about separating themselves from the Rationalist community. 

Good Ventures have stopped funding efforts connected with the rationality community and rationality

Since that post doesn't specify specific causes they are exiting from, could you clarify if they specified that they are also not funding lower case r "rationality"?

More broadly, they are ultimately scared about the world returning to the sort of racism that led to the Holocaust, to segregation, and they are scared that if they do not act now, to stop this they will be part of maintaining the current system of discrimination and racial injustice.

This feels somewhat uncharitable. 

Curious if you think there was good discussion before that and could point me to any particularly good posts or conversations?