Head of Video at 80,000 Hours
(Opinions here my own by default though will sometimes speak in a professional capacity).
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Basically you're right about all of the above, and we don't yet have an end metric we've figured out, so we don't know how much impact we're having! It's the biggest open question for our team right now, and I hope to get clarity on it in the next quarter or two and share that.
Re: Timelines - we don't have super strong views on timelines, but the amount of weight I put on short timelines do I think mean that any longer leads than an average of 3 months per video seem bad to me. Whether we should try to go for e.g. 1/week I'm not yet sure on.
Thanks so much for your comment!
Thanks for this. I’ve read through the whole thing though haven’t thought about the numbers in depth yet. I’m hoping to write a forum post with my retrospective on the AI in Context video at some point!
A few quick thoughts which I imagine won’t be very new to people:
Mostly this is on vibes, and the MIRI team trying hard and seeming very successful and getting a lot of buzz, great blurbs, some billboards, etc.
I saw this tweet
E.g., the book is likely to become a NYT bestseller. The exact position can be improved by more pre-orders. (The figure is currently at around 5k pre-orders, according to the q&a; +20k more would make it a #1 bestseller).
Chat says about that
If preorders = 5k, you’re probably looking at 8k–15k total copies sold in week 1 (preorders + launch week sales).
Recently, nonfiction books debuting around 8k–12k week-1 copies often chart #8–#15 on the NYT list.
Lifetime Sales Ranges
Conservative: 20k–30k copies total (good for a nonfiction debut with moderate buzz).
Optimistic: 40k–60k (if reviews, media, podcasts, or TikTok keep it alive).
Breakout: 100k+ (usually requires either a viral moment, institutional adoption, or the author becoming part of a big public debate).
Is that a lot? I don't actually know, would be that’s not that many, but a decent number and might get a lot of buzz, commentary, etc. This is a major crux so I'd be interested in take.
I think the arguments here are clear but let me know if not
e.g.
Very interested in takes!
Yeah, we have mixed evidence on this - we didn't get on the hype leaderboard despite having enough votes, which suggests disfavoring, but we also just did get a lot of views and no weird ratios of e.g. views/comments so I don't personally think there was a lot going on there.