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quinn

1993 karmaJoined Dec 2020Working (0-5 years)Berkeley, CA, USA
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  • Completed the AGI Safety Fundamentals Virtual Program
  • Completed the In-Depth EA Virtual Program
  • Attended an EAGx conference
  • Attended an EA Global conference
  • Attended more than three meetings with a local EA group
  • Completed the Precipice Reading Group

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3 year update: I consider this 2 year update to be a truncated version of the post, but it's actually too punchy and even superficial. 

My opinion lately / these days is too confused and nuanced to write about. 

thanks for the writeup! I had a ton of similar feelings for a while, mixing between finding people who say "it's not worth defending it's just a meme" and "actually I'll defend using something like this". 

At one point I was discussing this issue with Rob Miles at manifest, who told me something like "the default is a bool (some two valued variable)", the idea being that if people are arguing over an interval then we could've done way worse. 

While I think the fuzzies from cooperating with your vegan friends should be considered rewarding, I know what you mean--- it's not a satisfying moral handshake if it relies on a foundation of friendship! 

I'm pretty confident that people who prioritize their health or enjoyment of food over animal welfare can moral handshake with animal suffering vegans by tabooing poultry at the expense of beef. So a non-vegan can "meet halfway" on animal suffering by preferring beef over chicken.

Presumably, a similar moral handshake would work with climate vegans that just favors poultry over beef.

Is there a similar moral handshake between climate ameliaterians (who have a little chicken) and animal suffering (who have a little beef)?

Will @Austin’s ‘In defense of SBF’ have aged well? [resolves to poll]

Posting here because it's a well worth reading and underrated post, and the poll is currently active. The real reason I'm posting here is so that I can find the link later, since searching over Manifold's post feature doesn't really work, and searching over markets is unreliable. 

The poll is here, closing November 25th https://manifold.markets/NicoDelon/has-in-defense-of-sbf-by-austin-age?referrer=Quinn

Feel free to have discourse in the comments here. 

Any good literature reviews of feed conversion ratio you guys recommend? I found myself frustrated that it's measured in mass, I'd love a caloric version. The conversion would be straightforward given a nice dataset about what the animals are eating, I think? But I'd be prone to steep misunderstandings if it's my first time looking at an animal agriculture dataset. 

I'm willing to bite the tasty bullets on caring about caloric output divided by brain mass, even if it recommends the opposite of what feed conversion ratios recommend. But lots of moral uncertainty / cooperative reasons to know in more detail how the climate-based agricultural reform people should be expected to interpret the status quo. 

It seems like a super quick habit-formation trick for a bunch of socioepistemic gains is just saying "that seems overconfident". The old Sequences/Methods version is "just what do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?" 

A friend was recently upset about his epistemic environment, like he didn't feel like people around him were able to reason and he didn't feel comfortable defecting on their echo chamber. I found it odd that he said he felt like he was the overconfident one for doubting the reams of overconfident people around him! So I told him, start small, try just asking people if they're really as confident as they sound. 

In my experience, it's a gentle nudge that helps people be better versions of themselves. Tho I said "it seems" cuz I don't know how many different communities it work would reliably in-- the case here is someone almost 30 in a nice college with very few grad students in an isolated town. 

Can you write about cross pollination between technical safety and AI governance and policy? In the case of the new governance mechanisms role (zeroing in on proof of learning and other monitoring schemas), it seems like bridging or straddling the two teams is important. 

Yes. In general I'd love to see him try harder to write out tenure overhauls. He seems to stay on a popsci / blogger register instead of designing a new protocol / incentive scheme and shopping it around at metascience conferences. 

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