There are usually both official and unofficial group chats (on WhatsApp, Slack, Discord, etc.) There might also be Instagram pages, or an active Subreddit for that school. I imagine some schools have internal platforms or forums. Some schools are unusual in that you can get the emails of all students or spam an entire listserv.
I want to raise a concern about the bigger picture that feels important here, which I’m sharing cautiously because I don’t know all the details.
From the public account, it appears that Riley’s document was circulated among multiple members of leadership and discussed internally for months before Frances was even aware of it, so by the time she entered the process, leadership had already been exposed to (and potentially biased toward) one narrative in detail.
Even if everyone involved was acting in good faith, that kind of sequencing can create a significant imbalance because the other person is unknowingly placed in a defensive position. I imagine I would feel overwhelmed, shocked, and powerless when I found out what had been taking place without my knowledge.
In addition, in situations where there has been prior romantic interest / rejection, I worry there is a risk of retaliatory motivations. I’m not asserting that this definitively occurred here, but given the publicly known facts, that there was romantic pursuit, rejection, and a complaint including (unempathetic and callous) speculation about mental health and a description of a rape, I think it’s reasonable for yellow flags to be raised.
I would want to understand: • Was the inclusion of sexualized and highly personal material treated as a red flag in itself? • Did anyone consider how the process creates a big information asymmetry that centers one party’s perspective before the other has a chance to respond? • Were people aware that when prior interpersonal tensions exist (especially romantic and gendered ones), there is a risk of prematurely treating one party as the problem?
To me, neutrality is not the only concern. Holistic appraisal of the situation is probably even more important. I raise this publicly because I hope that discussion of these risk patterns can help prevent harmful events from playing out in the future.
I am responding completely in a personal capacity and not as a representative of CEA.
What advice would you give to a young EA interested in journalism as a path to impact? As a sub-case, what about a journalism career for someone who wants to report on niche topics like insect welfare, digital minds, wild animal suffering, etc.?
Thank you!! I'm excited to see what's possible :)
Very cool!! UofT has a ton of potential that I agree should be tapped into
There are usually both official and unofficial group chats (on WhatsApp, Slack, Discord, etc.) There might also be Instagram pages, or an active Subreddit for that school. I imagine some schools have internal platforms or forums. Some schools are unusual in that you can get the emails of all students or spam an entire listserv.
I have nothing substantial to add, but it makes my heart happy to see this initiative!
Here are instructions on how to get started: Quick tips on virtual summer Intro Fellowships. I’m also available via DM or at [email protected]. Just message me: “Hey, I might want to try this. What should I do?”
I'm really excited about this project and think it arrives at a pivotal moment!
Done, thank you.
I want to raise a concern about the bigger picture that feels important here, which I’m sharing cautiously because I don’t know all the details.
From the public account, it appears that Riley’s document was circulated among multiple members of leadership and discussed internally for months before Frances was even aware of it, so by the time she entered the process, leadership had already been exposed to (and potentially biased toward) one narrative in detail.
Even if everyone involved was acting in good faith, that kind of sequencing can create a significant imbalance because the other person is unknowingly placed in a defensive position. I imagine I would feel overwhelmed, shocked, and powerless when I found out what had been taking place without my knowledge.
In addition, in situations where there has been prior romantic interest / rejection, I worry there is a risk of retaliatory motivations. I’m not asserting that this definitively occurred here, but given the publicly known facts, that there was romantic pursuit, rejection, and a complaint including (unempathetic and callous) speculation about mental health and a description of a rape, I think it’s reasonable for yellow flags to be raised.
I would want to understand:
• Was the inclusion of sexualized and highly personal material treated as a red flag in itself?
• Did anyone consider how the process creates a big information asymmetry that centers one party’s perspective before the other has a chance to respond?
• Were people aware that when prior interpersonal tensions exist (especially romantic and gendered ones), there is a risk of prematurely treating one party as the problem?
To me, neutrality is not the only concern. Holistic appraisal of the situation is probably even more important. I raise this publicly because I hope that discussion of these risk patterns can help prevent harmful events from playing out in the future.
I am responding completely in a personal capacity and not as a representative of CEA.
Thank you! This is super useful information!
What advice would you give to a young EA interested in journalism as a path to impact? As a sub-case, what about a journalism career for someone who wants to report on niche topics like insect welfare, digital minds, wild animal suffering, etc.?