This is one of the best examples of concise, engaging EA writing I've ever seen. Thank you for making an important point in a really fun and creative way!

Thanks for pointing this out. Reading it made me tear up a bit. Some secret heroes here!

I'm so sorry you had to go through this. Every part of this demonstrates your strength and bravery in the face of a hostile and uncaring system (and several uncaring individuals) and I have boundless respect for you.

I'm ashamed that some of my deeply-held values are being claimed and represented by an organization as flawed and irresponsible as CEA. I don't really know what to do about this, and everyone here is still posting on the forum CEA runs, so clearly this conflict has no obvious solution.

Even separate from the value to the community of having your traumatic experiences shared publicly, this is the best piece of writing I've read on sexual harassment in the EA community. You didn't have to write it, and I'm sure it was difficult: On top of the emotional toll of reviewing all of this over and over again, it's just genuinely a lot of work to write something this good.

I will be thinking about this post for a long time.

Thanks for writing and posting this! I've had these sorts of feelings floating around in my head for a while, but this is the best term I've heard for it.

Having not read the article, this threw me and I had to go check. But unfortunately they do seem to be calling the timeline models themselves "bad". 

I focussed on one section alone: their “timelines forecast” code and accompanying methodology section. Not to mince words, I think it’s pretty bad.

I think this is the single most underrated post on the EA Forum.

Thanks for writing this! I have a more philosophical counter that I'd love for you to respond to.

The idea of haggling doesn't sit well with me or my idea of what a good society should be like. It feels competitive, uncooperative, and zero-sum, when I want to live in a society where people are honest and cooperative. Specifically, it seems to encourage deceptive pricing and reward people who are willing to be manipulative and stretch the truth.

In other words, haggling gives me bad vibes.

When you think about haggling/negotiating in altruistic context, do you have a framing that is more positive than this? Put another way: Other than saving money for the good guys (us) and costing money for the bad guys (some business), why is all of this "good"?

Ah! Yes that's a good point and I misinterpreted.That's part of what I meant by "historical accident" but now I think that it was confusing to say "accident" and I should have said something like "hisotrical activities".

I agree that they're worth calling out somehow, I just think "lab" is a misleading way to doing so given their current activities. I've made some admittedly-clunky suggestions in other threads here.

I completely agree that OpenAI and Deepmind started out as labs and are no longer so.