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Same page here as well.

Probably is that when we are in search of a calling, we seek to be associated to some groups in hopes of finding our purpose along the way. When we find that calling, we then get to a point where we can see ourselves again in a different way - does my upgraded view of who I would be and what should I do be still aligned with this group, the culture and its concept. That is why I stopped calling myself an effective altruist - as I do adhere to the core belief that we should do our very best to make the future as bright as possible, some of the methods of conversation here is somewhat murky if you are a new and very difficult to build upon for less technically inclined people.

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I Am Not An Altruist

by clem

Feb 17 20231 min read 5

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Context: I just started full-time work as an alignment researcher. I do this work because I care - but I am frustrated with EA, and would not call myself an altruist. I wrote this today to express these frustrations. I don't necessarily think this will land with many EAs, but my main intention here is simply to make this clear from the outset, as it should provide context for my work later down the line.

I’m doing this for me.

I’m doing this for my friends and family.

For my comrades and coworkers.

I’m doing this for every human being,

Who asks themselves “could things be better?”

I want to tell them: yes. Yes they can.

I’m trying to do this for every sentient being,

That ever has, or ever will, live.

For every species conducive to ecological flourishing,

That is at risk of going extinct.

For every culture conducive to human flourishing,

That is at risk of going extinct.

I’m trying to do this for every species and culture that has gone extinct.

And for every species and culture that could produce flourishing,

But might not come to be.

I’m not an altruist.

I’m not doing this for some “other”,

Who I perceive to be suffering.

I’m doing this for us.

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Jeff Kaufman 🔸Feb 17 202319

If you would be doing the same things even without the "for every human being" and "for every sentient being" then I'd agree, but it sounds to me like wanting things to be better for others is a big part of your motivation in working on this. Which sounds like altruism to me?

Is the objection that you don't like the connotations of "altruism" as taking actions purely for the benefit of others? Or that it puts you in a frame where you're thinking about sacrifices you're making for others?

clemFeb 17 20234

At the risk of being obtuse : I think the etymology of "altruism" is telling. It comes from a word meaning "other" or "other people". Insofar as I want to make the future go as well as possible, I want to do it as expression of (an idealised) collective agency, not just as an individual helping those in need.

Nathan YoungFeb 17 20235

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed it.

quinnFeb 17 20234

Cool. I upvoted. I recently wrote that EAs don't need to cultivate solidarity because it's not really related to their value prop. But more than happy to coalition with people like you for some goals in particular.

I'm not worried you're a nationalist (as in the opposite of cosmopolitan, someone who really does think their neighbors are more important than people halfway across the world), because of specifics of the way you articulated yourself. But if you haven't, I urge you to read Soares on the moral obligation to generalize cosmopolitanism and really double down on it for alignment researchers in particular.

MiguelFeb 17 20233

Same page here as well.