I'm a computational cognitive scientist studying decision-making and introspection in humans and LLMs. I earned my PhD at Harvard in 2022, and have been a postdoc at Princeton since then.
As a scientist who writes NSF grants, I think the stuff that you're labeling woke here makes up a very small percentage of the total money that actually gets spent in grants like these. Labeling that grant as woke because it puts like 2% of its total funds towards a K-12 outreach program seems like a mistake to me. (And in an armchair-philosophy way, yes the scientists could in principle just resubmit the grants without the last part -- but in practice nothing works like this. Much more likely is that labeling these as "woke" leads people, like the current administration, to try to drastically reduce the overall funding that goes to NSF, with a strong net negative effect on basic science research.)
Not to tell you what to do, but I'd love to see a longer ACX post making these arguments Scott :). Seems like it could be rich seed for discussion; almost all the writing I've seen in rationalist spaces around these issues has been anti-build-goodwill/influence-from-within, and I think your counterpoints here are strong
I agree with all that! I think my worry is that this one issue reflects the deep, general problem that it's extremely hard to figure out what's true, and relatively simple and commonly-suggested approaches like 'read more people who have studied this issue', 'defer more to domain-experts', 'be more intellectually humble and incorporate a broader range of perspectives' don't actually solve this deep problem (all those approaches will lead you to cite people like McGilchrist).
I appreciate the large effort put into this post! But I wanted to throw out one small part that made me distrust it as a whole. I'm a US PhD in cognitive science, and I think it'd be hard to find a top cognitive scientist in the country (e.g., say, who regularly gets large science grants from governmental science funding, gives keynote talks at top conferences, publishes in top journals, etc.) who takes Iain McGilchrist seriously as a scientist, at least in the "The Master & His Emissary" book. So citing him as an example of an expert whose findings are not being taken seriously makes me worry that you handpicked a person you like, without evaluating the science behind his claims (or without checking "expert consensus"). Which I think reflects the problems that arise when you start trying to be like "we need to weigh together different perspectives". There's no easy heuristics for differentiating good science/reasoning from pseudoscience, without incisive, personal inquiry -- which is, as far as I've seen, what EA culture earnestly tries to do. (Like, do we give weight to the perspective of ESP people? If not, how do we differentiate them from the types of "domain experts" we should take seriously?)
I know this was only one small part of the post, and doesn't necessarily reflect the other parts -- but to avoid a kind of Gell-Mann Amnesia, I wanted to comment on the one part I could contribute to.
Out of curiosity, where did you donate? (apologies if you already have this written up somewhere else!)
This is incredibly well done. My new go-to resource for explaining AI risk to people
As a scientist who writes NSF grants, I think the stuff that you're labeling woke here makes up a very small percentage of the total money that actually gets spent in grants like these. Labeling that grant as woke because it puts like 2% of its total funds towards a K-12 outreach program seems like a mistake to me. (And in an armchair-philosophy way, yes the scientists could in principle just resubmit the grants without the last part -- but in practice nothing works like this. Much more likely is that labeling these as "woke" leads people, like the current administration, to try to drastically reduce the overall funding that goes to NSF, with a strong net negative effect on basic science research.)
Not to tell you what to do, but I'd love to see a longer ACX post making these arguments Scott :). Seems like it could be rich seed for discussion; almost all the writing I've seen in rationalist spaces around these issues has been anti-build-goodwill/influence-from-within, and I think your counterpoints here are strong
Do you need to be from or living in the UK?
This is so cool! I live in a largely veg*n co-op and am super excited to cook these recipes for them :)
This is amazing -- thank you.
What's wrong with the "People in poverty know how to fish but cannot afford the boat" that you used above? I think that's great.
I agree with all that! I think my worry is that this one issue reflects the deep, general problem that it's extremely hard to figure out what's true, and relatively simple and commonly-suggested approaches like 'read more people who have studied this issue', 'defer more to domain-experts', 'be more intellectually humble and incorporate a broader range of perspectives' don't actually solve this deep problem (all those approaches will lead you to cite people like McGilchrist).
I appreciate the large effort put into this post! But I wanted to throw out one small part that made me distrust it as a whole. I'm a US PhD in cognitive science, and I think it'd be hard to find a top cognitive scientist in the country (e.g., say, who regularly gets large science grants from governmental science funding, gives keynote talks at top conferences, publishes in top journals, etc.) who takes Iain McGilchrist seriously as a scientist, at least in the "The Master & His Emissary" book. So citing him as an example of an expert whose findings are not being taken seriously makes me worry that you handpicked a person you like, without evaluating the science behind his claims (or without checking "expert consensus"). Which I think reflects the problems that arise when you start trying to be like "we need to weigh together different perspectives". There's no easy heuristics for differentiating good science/reasoning from pseudoscience, without incisive, personal inquiry -- which is, as far as I've seen, what EA culture earnestly tries to do. (Like, do we give weight to the perspective of ESP people? If not, how do we differentiate them from the types of "domain experts" we should take seriously?)
I know this was only one small part of the post, and doesn't necessarily reflect the other parts -- but to avoid a kind of Gell-Mann Amnesia, I wanted to comment on the one part I could contribute to.