Bella

Director of Growth @ 80,000 Hours
2548 karmaJoined Working (0-5 years)Bethnal Green, London, UK

Bio

Hello, my name's Bella Forristal. I work at 80,000 Hours, as the director of growth. 

I'm interested in AI safety, animal advocacy, and ethics / metaethics. 

Previously, I worked in community building with the Global Challenges Project and EA Oxford, and have interned at Charity Entrepreneurship. 

Please feel free to email me to connect at bellaforristal@gmail.com, or leave anonymous feedback at https://www.admonymous.co/bellaforristal :)

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So far, the video's actually on a stronger trajectory than the previous one — our last video got 7k views in its first 11.5 hours, whereas this video has 9.8k views in its first 11.5hrs :)

I do think it's possible it gets its reach throttled because of the content, though. We tried to do everything we could to make it less likely without materially harming the message we wanted to get across (such as censoring hurtful words, and not telling the story in an exaggerated or sensationalised way).

When I was dealing with a significant + upsetting personal situation last year, I was surprised by how much everyone who I told about it was like "Ah, yeah, something kinda like that happened to me as well. It was really rough." Some had very applicable advice, others were just commiserating, but I mostly wanted to highlight my agreement with Julia's post!!

You're not alone; people will understand; it's normal & human to have this kind of thing happen.

Thanks for doing this really important work :) I think it's great that you prioritised hard around getting signups at club fairs & around outreach near the start of the year! Sprints like this are super tough but I think are probably the right call for most organisers <3

I guess I think the main thing your analysis could be missing out is the quality / delivery of the message in 2024 versus 2025. I don't know how you decided on what to say, but e.g. I remember getting very different responses at my club fair based on whether I asked "What's the world's most pressing problem?" versus "Have you heard of effective altruism?" versus "Do you want to have a positive impact with your career?" (the first one was the most likely to stop people & engage them in a conversation).

Also, your outcome measure was whether people turned up to the intro meeting. It's possible there are confounders like: was the intro meeting at a place that was harder to get to than 2024? Was it at a time slot that competed with something else important? Was the intro event framed differently?

Anyway, thanks again for both doing and publishing your thoughts on this!! :)

I'm sorry this happened to you — I hate stepping on snails. Whenever I walk on paths and it's raining, I take extra care to look where I'm going.

I also move snails off paths if I have the time, though beware: if you pick an exposed snail up by its shell directly, you can cause them to detach from the shell internally, which can kill them. Instead, you should tap on the shell to make them retreat inside (they fear a predator), then safely move them.

Thanks, this is a good point!! I think my 'structural reasons' list still basically applies to a less ambitious vision, though (but they're all less of a big deal cos you're doing less).

They're both great episodes, though — relistened to #138 last week :)

FWIW the piece didn't strike me as having the hallmarks of LLM-written prose, just as a counter-anecdote :)

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I think it'd help if you spelled out more how you think these views contrast. They seem obviously consistent to me (if you have totalist views in population ethics, you think less suffering would be good).

if someone doesn’t believe themselves to be a good enough fit, perhaps they’re best-placed to know that about themselves

I disagree — I think some people are just naturally under-confident, in a way that doesn't correlate particularly well with their actual skill. For example, see these seven stories written up by my lovely colleague Luisa :)

I’d like to know if any of the paid jobs advertised on 80,000 Hours receive very low or zero applications.

Yeah, I don't have that data sadly since it's with all the different orgs running those rounds. I've run 5 hiring rounds at 80,000 Hours, and the number of applicants was 110, 91, 137, 112, and 107 — so, all around 100 :)

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