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Chris Leong

Organiser @ AI Safety Australia and NZ
7490 karmaJoined Sydney NSW, Australia

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Currently doing local AI safety Movement Building in Australia and NZ.

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I would like to suggest that folk not downvote this post below zero. I'm generally in favour of allowing people to defend themselves, unless their response is clearly in bad faith. I'm sure many folk strongly disagree with the OP's desired social norms, but this is different from bad faith.

Additionally, I suspect most of us have very little insight into how community health operates and this post provides some much needed visibility. Regardless of whether you think their response was just right, too harsh or too lenient, this post opens up a rare opportunity for the community to weigh in.

I suspect people are downvoting this post either because they think the author is a bad person or they don't want the author at EA events. I would suggest that neither of these are good reasons to downvote this specific post into the negative.

Honestly, I don't care enough to post any further replies. I've spent too much time on this whole Epoch thing already (not just through this post, but through other comments). I've been reflecting recently on how I spend my time and I've realised that I often make poor decisions here. I've shared my opinion, if your opinion is different, that's perfectly fine, but I'm out.

It can be a mistake to have trusted someone without there necessarily having been misbehavior. I'm not saying there wasn't misbehavior, that's just not my focus here.

Trust has never been just about whether someone technically lied.

I find that surprising.

The latest iteration has 80+ projects

But why do you say that?

I can't see an option to delete.

I took a look at the post announcing Epoch.

It was interesting noting this comment by Ofer:
 

Jaime Sevilla replied:

Additionally, looking at the post itself:

It's up to the reader to form their own judgement, but it certainly seems to me that the AI Safety community was too ready to trust Epoch.

People seem to think that there is an 'EA Orthodoxy' on this stuff


Well, there kind of is. Maybe you think it's incorrect, but that's a separate matter.

I am far more concerned of "geniuses in a data center" which Dario/Sam seem to be pushing for, than I am of more economically useful AI


I'd be curious to hear your views now that we know they're focusing on improving RL environments which seems useful for the former and not just that latter.

In part, that's a lesson for funders to not just look at the content of the proposal in front of you, but also what the org as a whole is doing.

 

Agreed.

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