I believe that we need an rct but without subjective wins from the gradually mounting evidence, the whole conversation is me pushing uphill for a cause that I'm only a bit motivated to prove to other people.
I'm confident for myself but the potential cause area needs more research.
I agree on the "if they have something to sell" but there really isn't much to sell here. Chew hard food, practice better posture and lip tape at night. It's not a financially viable industry to sell in.
Occasionally people sell gum. But they aren't rolling in riches in the process of selling gum.
Sometimes people facilitate accountability groups and there's a finance factor there but it's not very common. And that's a private coaching group, it takes work to maintain.
Yes photos are open to manipulation by lighting and some are like that but I don't think all of them are manipulated.
The cohorts are the studies of countries or societies with access to different diets. Weston price did that in the 1930s and looked at the skull records which are hard to fake (and hard to verify for others trying to validate his work). But it's harder to find recent cohorts with strict diet limits.
I'll try to dig up the case studies although all this work and it's likely you will say that case studies are not convincing without rct's. This is why I never published the draft. It's a lot of work and it's not worth my energy to prove the theory to random people on the internet.
The current evidence sits at 3 or 4 in this list. That's still not randomized controlled trials but those happen to be much harder to run than the prior levels in the pyramid. I see the current evidence as meriting the RCT but maybe you see it differently?
I previously investigated the cannon and claims around commute times and found that the research cited didn't support those claims. I never wrote that up (sorry).
I came to question the cannon when I talked to all my local rats about how they commute and their preferences.
I found that contrary to the claims in cannon - people liked their public transport commute and were using it to read, talk to friends and generally enjoy their time to unwind from work on the way home. The research talks about time of commute but generalises from car driving and traffic sitting commute time.
Of the people I talked to who walked or bicycled to work, they also enjoyed the commute and the excuse for incidental physical exercise. (the research in the cannon agrees with this)
On the topic of driving to work. The research proposes that driving with underlying health conditions like obesity that make sitting still for long periods of time (potentially in pain) is the cause of the lack of happiness. Back problems are bad for long driving as well.
Ammended claims: travel to work by exercising methods, or find a way to enjoy your commute (audio books, books, social etc.)
*cannon is the word I use to describe community cannon.
I agree.
I believe that we need an rct but without subjective wins from the gradually mounting evidence, the whole conversation is me pushing uphill for a cause that I'm only a bit motivated to prove to other people.
I'm confident for myself but the potential cause area needs more research.
I agree on the "if they have something to sell" but there really isn't much to sell here. Chew hard food, practice better posture and lip tape at night. It's not a financially viable industry to sell in.
Occasionally people sell gum. But they aren't rolling in riches in the process of selling gum.
Sometimes people facilitate accountability groups and there's a finance factor there but it's not very common. And that's a private coaching group, it takes work to maintain.
Yes photos are open to manipulation by lighting and some are like that but I don't think all of them are manipulated.
The cohorts are the studies of countries or societies with access to different diets. Weston price did that in the 1930s and looked at the skull records which are hard to fake (and hard to verify for others trying to validate his work). But it's harder to find recent cohorts with strict diet limits.
I'll try to dig up the case studies although all this work and it's likely you will say that case studies are not convincing without rct's. This is why I never published the draft. It's a lot of work and it's not worth my energy to prove the theory to random people on the internet.
One piece of evidence that feels convincing to me while still being anecdotal is the google images page for "mewing before and after"
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=b59cd4dbe0a194eb&sxsrf=AHTn8zon1EAYpPRhYbygOoHRzOeof93GlA:1740266143676&q=mewing+before+and+after&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBr1qLlHFB6ZBcx-Arq68_wdJlnBwAHirUEMwdE4O8L3EsOBFudme3Tao3KPzT2BTFK5Z7JuPMxKZBMYVPqa-00-_f9CmdNmTUXzgQ7vPp3ChppYRWHxEMFYTZzrvgqh9i5jkr_SnWZ9F_SmwYzbtLLpQf6bCsYahVhoF5ifkXkrkPY9ZfQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4x7vKtNiLAxWgqFYBHbucLFwQtKgLegQIFxAB&biw=1920&bih=953&dpr=1
What you can find is a variety of people's photos in generally self-posted format claiming to have achieved results via mewing.
Some of those may include surgical assistance but I take most of those photos for what they are at face value - mewing produces results.
Do you have an alternative explanation of what's going on there? Why are there all these images that seem to point towards mewing?
What evidence would you need to be convinced that mewing is a fruitful endeavor?
Looking at the hierarchy of evidence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_evidence#/media/File:Research_design_and_evidence.svg)
The current evidence sits at 3 or 4 in this list. That's still not randomized controlled trials but those happen to be much harder to run than the prior levels in the pyramid. I see the current evidence as meriting the RCT but maybe you see it differently?
If you have come this far, why not try them out in lite-form
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMpjh6ueqj9q4ebY3sDhDcvm5o8FNVIcZqjDKnnrWco/edit?usp=drivesdk
I previously investigated the cannon and claims around commute times and found that the research cited didn't support those claims. I never wrote that up (sorry).
I came to question the cannon when I talked to all my local rats about how they commute and their preferences.
I found that contrary to the claims in cannon - people liked their public transport commute and were using it to read, talk to friends and generally enjoy their time to unwind from work on the way home. The research talks about time of commute but generalises from car driving and traffic sitting commute time.
Of the people I talked to who walked or bicycled to work, they also enjoyed the commute and the excuse for incidental physical exercise. (the research in the cannon agrees with this)
On the topic of driving to work. The research proposes that driving with underlying health conditions like obesity that make sitting still for long periods of time (potentially in pain) is the cause of the lack of happiness. Back problems are bad for long driving as well.
Ammended claims: travel to work by exercising methods, or find a way to enjoy your commute (audio books, books, social etc.)
*cannon is the word I use to describe community cannon.
link fixed.
Can I get 5 karma so I can make a post? Thanks in advance.