What would you say to a potential attendee who has a legitimate interest in reprogenetics’ emancipatory capacity, but is concerned that the conference will be taken over by discussions of human biodiversity, especially given that two of the featured speakers, Jonathan Anomaly and Steve Hsu, have both pretty clearly endorsed HBD or at least, given the ambiguities in their statements, never explicitly refuted it?

Would you be interested in screening out certain problematic attendees or explicitly refuting human biodiversity on the conference website, in order to create an environment welcoming of open discussion of reprogenetics?

(Can you point me to something about the moral weight of fish eggs? I have never heard of this before)

One other thing that feels missing from these comments, is that a more mature field has a bunch of other interesting discussion points. If all the philosophical questions in EA GHD were one day solved, we could still have invigorating debates about how to develop and manage interventions, about who the payer should be, etc. etc.

So I’m not sure this is all just a dearth of topics to discuss—perhaps the nuance is that this forum tends to like those more philosophical or intellectual discussions and those aren’t generally the kinds of debates most GHD practitioners I know are having?

To me wellbeing is the most exciting topic in EA GHD at the moment, because with some serious engagement from the kinds of players attending that workshop, it has the greatest potential to credibly upend the currently accepted wisdom in EA GHD. There are a lot of questions that you and others have been chipping away at for some time that many people assume are either solved or unlikely to yield field-altering results, and I think that impression is wrong!

Average income of CS graduates relative to average US individual income at the midpoint between now and HL-AGI

I don’t think it’s going to change much. Supply might slightly lower as AI tools make it easier for people to write code, but writing code ≠ developing software. Demand might slightly lower initially as existing firms find productivity improvements and markets demand cuts, but the demand for more software is still nearly infinite.

A rush of new, cheap entry-level programmers from the Global South in the 2000s–2010s didn’t really depress wages at all.

I’m not an economist though so I’m probably not qualified to have a good opinion here. I’m speaking as a professional software engineer who has a deep familiarity with these tools.

One thing I didn’t expand on in that thread is some uncertainty I have around ‘You think your sacrificed money is best spent on the non-profit you are working for’.

• Right now my charity is definitely not that cost-effective, but I’m confident it will be one day. In my head, saving money for this charity is the best way to spend that money, but not the most cost-effective today.
• I don’t nearly have the arrogance to believe that my charity is going to be the most cost-effective giving opportunity of all time, so donating 100% of my sacrificed earnings to this charity probably goes against the spirit of the pledge. On the other hand, it does feel like something would be lost by not incentivising people to make this kind of sacrifice in their careers.
• (But ultimately I don’t care much for the status of a pledge or whatever, because I know I’m doing the right thing here)

For these reasons I haven’t considered my sacrifice as a GWWC pledge so far, but I’m uncertain about it.

Given EA's goals, I'd argue it's okay to hold them to a high standard.

I would go further, and say that given CEA’s specific history and promises of change around sexual harassment^[1], we should hold them to an even higher standard than that.

(I am glad that we have a lawyer to resolve any ‘I am not a lawyer but…’ comments on here)

I think that repeatedly re-opening discussions on any form of eugenics actively undermines the work many EAs are doing in the global south and severely risks our reputation and credibility as a movement in the global health space. Given the history of discussing this topic within EA, I do not believe that anyone in this community has the precision and tact to discuss proposals around eugenics without causing these harms, if it is even possible to do so at all (I do not believe it is).

I also believe that discussing eugenics on the forum undermines attempts to make EA more welcoming to a large number of racial groups, because of the association with forms of oppression and genocide against those groups. I believe that all of these harms persist even if you don’t specifically talk about where you might believe the existing differences in intelligence lie, because of that history. I believe that there are many people who would make fantastic EAs who are turned off of this movement because of this association.

I believe that members of the EA movement and its leaders should loudly and sharply condemn all forms of race science, human biodiversity, and more broadly, eugenics, because of these harms.

I am also, frankly, tired of having to write this comment every 6 months.