To clarify, I don't think it's against the community guidelines or actively wrong. I was just trying to explain why I think you post was downvoted, in case you were confused by it!
Lotte, massive thanks for finding the articles! The month-long intervention in particular seems very similar to this idea, so it's very useful to know about :-)
Firstly, I'd note that OAISI or @James Lester (OAISI Prez) might be able to provide better resources or Oxford links, if you've not spoken to them yet!
Here's a fairly long list of (what I think are) good options. Note that they're all more blog post than academic article. I personally think that's better based on my experience with what I/most people engaged with more at undergrad, but that obviously depends on the Oxford culture.
Unsurprisingly, I'd mainly recommend 80,000 Hours content. Their overview case for AI risks hits the broad points, but is light on detail unless you follow the links. Their profiles on power-seeking AI, gradual disempowerment, AI misuse and power concentration are recent, broadly non-technical, engaging, and somewhat reputable. I think the first one (power seeking) is the best of the four to recommend, but it's a bit longer. I've also heard excellent things about the AI in Context video, but haven't watched it myself.
Linch's intro is great, recent, shorter and non-technical, but doesn't come with much credibility (sorry Linch).
For something really hard hitting, Yudkowsky's Time piece has always stuck with me. I'd be careful about this one though: as a first introduction it can easily come across as 'crazy man ranting' and lead to broad dismissal of AI risk.
Finally, AISafety.info has good arguments and you can explore at your own pace, but unsure how suitable it is for a reading list.
Firstly, I'm sorry that you didn't get responses and that your post was downvoted. I think that's because job-searching posts aren't really a norm on the Forum - but if you're new then it's not expected for you to know that.
I don't personally know of any roles, but the 80,000 Hours job board is a great place to look, if you haven't seen it already. (Note: this specific link comes with some pre-selected filters based on your post, but check them to see if they're relevant).
Somehow I didn't even realise there were fully-vegan services, thanks for pointing it out! There's definitely some good benefits to it, slight downside is that my initial scan puts them as ~1.5x base cost of Gousto, so there's a tradeoff there. I will consider this more.
The gift option might be cool even independently of this sort of trial, esp. with Christmas gift for Veganuary, as you mention.
Very good idea on the info campaign, and the further study. Would definitely require a closer collaboration with the kit service, for them to monitor which boxes are for which trial participants, this might be another point in favour of choosing a fully-vegan service.
For the final point, I've added comparisons to the 'Cost-Effectiveness Estimates' section. The midpoint of 19 SAD/$ is below these estimates, but the optimistic case of 49 SAD/$ is comparable with some of them.
Another good point, I've added the below to the 'Cost-Effectiveness Estimates' section:
For comparison, the top potential interventions in AIM's 2025 and 2026 reports, are estimated at cost-effectivenesses of 153, 3-51, ~36-104, and ~30 SADs/$, respectively.
Good point - unfortunately I don't have a good answer! At small scales I think getting most/all participants via referrals can limit this effect, but at large scales I'm unsure.
The key point, though, is that cases like Ocado and Albert Heijn are exceptions, not the norm.
As a partial pushback (and for reference for any vegans!), 6/8 biggest UK supermarkets which allow online shopping have these sort of filters. (Proof here)
These are definitely different to the 'whole website vegan toggle' option, and only available on some subset of pages. They also miss the 'norm-building' impact of having a very visible 'vegan toggle'. However, I'd tentatively doubt supermarkets would consider having the toggle, considering how crammed supermarket website homepages already are. (This of course probably isn't representative for China, which I think is the main point in this post.)
Most online supermarkets lack the resources and incentives to systematically review and continuously update tens of thousands of SKUs for vegan status.
Tesco uses Spoon Guru to create/manage filters (according to their app). Seems like it could be a more tractable 'off the shelf' solution for other supermarkets.
To clarify, I don't think it's against the community guidelines or actively wrong. I was just trying to explain why I think you post was downvoted, in case you were confused by it!
Lotte, massive thanks for finding the articles! The month-long intervention in particular seems very similar to this idea, so it's very useful to know about :-)
Firstly, I'd note that OAISI or @James Lester (OAISI Prez) might be able to provide better resources or Oxford links, if you've not spoken to them yet!
Here's a fairly long list of (what I think are) good options. Note that they're all more blog post than academic article. I personally think that's better based on my experience with what I/most people engaged with more at undergrad, but that obviously depends on the Oxford culture.
Unsurprisingly, I'd mainly recommend 80,000 Hours content. Their overview case for AI risks hits the broad points, but is light on detail unless you follow the links. Their profiles on power-seeking AI, gradual disempowerment, AI misuse and power concentration are recent, broadly non-technical, engaging, and somewhat reputable. I think the first one (power seeking) is the best of the four to recommend, but it's a bit longer. I've also heard excellent things about the AI in Context video, but haven't watched it myself.
If you want to max out credibility about AI risk being worth taking seriously, consider pointing to the Superintelligence Statement and FLI Open Letter.
Linch's intro is great, recent, shorter and non-technical, but doesn't come with much credibility (sorry Linch).
For something really hard hitting, Yudkowsky's Time piece has always stuck with me. I'd be careful about this one though: as a first introduction it can easily come across as 'crazy man ranting' and lead to broad dismissal of AI risk.
Finally, AISafety.info has good arguments and you can explore at your own pace, but unsure how suitable it is for a reading list.
Hope this is helpful!
Hello Belindar!
Firstly, I'm sorry that you didn't get responses and that your post was downvoted. I think that's because job-searching posts aren't really a norm on the Forum - but if you're new then it's not expected for you to know that.
I don't personally know of any roles, but the 80,000 Hours job board is a great place to look, if you haven't seen it already. (Note: this specific link comes with some pre-selected filters based on your post, but check them to see if they're relevant).
You might also find High Impact Professionals useful, and their talent directory. The Probably Good job board is also quite good. Hope this helps!
To clarify, is Bob's mistake:
(I'm 90% sure you think the mistake is 2, but the phrasing of the sentence isn't fully clear)
Thanks for engaging!
Somehow I didn't even realise there were fully-vegan services, thanks for pointing it out! There's definitely some good benefits to it, slight downside is that my initial scan puts them as ~1.5x base cost of Gousto, so there's a tradeoff there. I will consider this more.
The gift option might be cool even independently of this sort of trial, esp. with Christmas gift for Veganuary, as you mention.
Very good idea on the info campaign, and the further study. Would definitely require a closer collaboration with the kit service, for them to monitor which boxes are for which trial participants, this might be another point in favour of choosing a fully-vegan service.
For the final point, I've added comparisons to the 'Cost-Effectiveness Estimates' section. The midpoint of 19 SAD/$ is below these estimates, but the optimistic case of 49 SAD/$ is comparable with some of them.
Another good point, I've added the below to the 'Cost-Effectiveness Estimates' section:
Good point - unfortunately I don't have a good answer! At small scales I think getting most/all participants via referrals can limit this effect, but at large scales I'm unsure.
Good feedback, thanks. Have added a definition link to the first usage.
For reference, it's Suffering Adjusted Days, a metric that Ambitious Impact came up with to measure animal welfare interventions. It's similar to Disability Adjusted Life Years, for animals.
As a partial pushback (and for reference for any vegans!), 6/8 biggest UK supermarkets which allow online shopping have these sort of filters. (Proof here)
These are definitely different to the 'whole website vegan toggle' option, and only available on some subset of pages. They also miss the 'norm-building' impact of having a very visible 'vegan toggle'. However, I'd tentatively doubt supermarkets would consider having the toggle, considering how crammed supermarket website homepages already are. (This of course probably isn't representative for China, which I think is the main point in this post.)
Tesco uses Spoon Guru to create/manage filters (according to their app). Seems like it could be a more tractable 'off the shelf' solution for other supermarkets.