Thank you, those are good points! I am now more optimistic about reducing insect farming and might even donate to that cause :)

Hi JoA,

thank you for the thoughtful reply! I think what you say about insect farming makes sense, I also like this cause area a lot. Although it looks like I am more worried than you about the indirect effects on other farming practices, like fish farming or factory farming of land animals.

And thank you for the link to the Tomasik post, he makes good points! Do you think I should change the original wording?

Thanks for the PSA, I didn't have plans for this, but I might not have thought about it.

Since the submission deadline has now passed, are you still looking for collaborators?

Maybe this trade would be quite risky for Bob unless it is enforced so strictly that the risk profile for Alice is very similar to just borrowing money from a bank.

I haven't thought about this a lot, but my impression is this doesn't work for smeared probability distributions and a medium level of risk aversion?

Let's say Alice thinks there is still a 20% chance AGI doesn't happen super fast / doesn't have transformative impact and she needs to pay back a loan in 10 years. Then if she doesn't want to take the risk of not being able to pay in these timelines, she cannot really donate all of the loan now.

On the other hand, a 20% chance that Alice has to donate a lot of money to global health doesn't look like such a big risk, at least if she doesn't have to donate everything right away. 

But maybe the difference here is my implicit assumption that owing donations to Bob isn't a big of a risk as owing money to a bank, because the former might cut Alice more slack and give her more time to pay.

Thank you, this is quite helpful! 

Does anybody know if the same applies to OpenPhil?

If it can be spent over any period of time, this removes my biggest concern (that we wouldn't find $100m worth of good opportunities for animals). 

I am voting based on my prior that animal work is more impactful as it is more neglected and there are so many more animals.