I'm working on building a better understanding of what strategies to prioritise when wanting to do the most good for animals but I haven't wanted to rely solely on EA sources and books recommended among EAs so I've participated in some animal advocacy groups in Finland as well.
One thing that has stood out to me, is that in EA we almost explicitly talk about 'animal welfare' whereas that term is seldom used in the animal advocacy spaces I've been to in Finland. For example, talking about'animal rights' is a more common.
Right now I'm reading a Finnish book on politics and animals where they discuss the differences between the animal protection movement and animal rights movement and how they've over time have converged. I once asked the author about 'welfarist'/reductionary vs. abolitionist approach knowing that there is internal disagreements in the movement around this topic. The brief response was that we're all working towards the same goal of eventually ending factory farming.
Why is it that 'animal welfare' is a term so widely used in EA? I assume it is not a random choice.
I guess (some people) might have negative associations with 'animal rights', from more radical activism done by some animal rights organisations. When doing marginal improvements e.g. through corporate campaigns, improving 'animal welfare' might avoid this and also result in less cognitive dissonance for the parties. On the other the framework of animal rights can also be valuable, acknowledging that non-human animals should have rights to wellbeing, the same way there are human rights and children's rights. Does this make sense to you?
Is it then rather a difference in the theory of change of the actors? An organisation focused on legislations and policy making might focus on animal rights while those advocating for more humane industry practices talk about animal welfare? Where does the vegan, consumer focused movement stand in this? Would Open Philantropy's farmed animal welfare unit do different grantmaking decisions if its name was OP farmed animal rights? Same for EA Funds animal welfare fund.
Curious to hear different thoughts. And please share a bit of your relation to EA/FAW/animal advocacy if you're comfortable, so it's easier to put the comments in context.
well, I personally don't talk about animal rights because I don't believe in animal rights, and find the way most right discussions go bad and mind-killed. I also don't talk about right when talking about malaria in Africa! people don't have "right" to not be sick. I want people not to be sick and die, and willing to pay for that.
I just generally don't look on the world using right-glasses, and don't find those googles helpful. quit the opposite.
my question is the opposite - why do you want to talk about rights? In my model, EAs tend talk less about right, because the sort of people who tend to become EAs tend to think less in framework of rights, and more in the EA framework. that the default EA reaction to sentence like "animals should have rights to wellbeing" should be "taboo the word right".
(I don't personally active in anything, i give 29.5% of my donations to Animal Welfare. and this is the name i use in a file that I created for myself, to describe the categories the way i think about them.)
well, i think the right framework is net-negative on the margin, and the world will be better place if people will talk less about human rights.
and I'm not... talking about things because they are useful. i also don't think it's fair description to what you do - it's look to me you actually believe in animal rights, and this is why you support it. and i just... don't.
the reason EA don't use this framework, in my model, is that most EA don't believe in animal right. to change that, you need to convince people that it's good framework and they should u... (read more)