i wholeheartedly agree with what you've said here, i've unfortunately had experience with sexual violence from all angles: a friend of mine was the woman who finally got the story of Marc Emery's sex pestery published, I've supported other women at events and sometimes recounting what happened, even to myself is so surreal
there are failures of inexperience and failures by choice, and I am very tired of hearing about victims being held to documentarian standards whilst the people around them quietly contribute to their social death behind closed doors in addition to everything else they have to go through
it's been a difficult few years knowing i wasn't even worth a direct 'we don't believe you and we're not going to do anything' from either community or event, and i really can't tell you how much this comment means to me <3
lol how did i know men would be showing up to defend this disgusting article
from details in it i know it is about what i wrote about being sexually assaulted and cornered in a music venue at Vibecamp 2
after I brought it up at VC2 decompression somewhere there interrupted to talk about the dating plight of autistic men (which is why I was quoted), afterwards Aella implied that I was 'outsourcing my agency' at men, and complained to show i was sufficiently attractive and had enough status to perform rejections
Brodski is a coward who didn't have the guts to address me directly and instead wrote this passive aggresive garbage which EQUATES VIOLENT RAPISTS AND VICTIMS
what I talked about is what women who participate in nightlife have to worry about, and i could care less what sheltered berkeley philosophers have to say about whether my concerns are reasonable or not
sheltered men policing what a woman is allowed to feel in response to threats is the definition of patriarchy, misogyny, and a lot of other things rife within Rationalism
Vibecamp has ignored the fact that I was sexually assaulted for over 2 years, Brooke Bowman promised followup that never happened, that is the definition of being dismissive
I am very happy to be the person calling out the massive systemic problem in rationalism and EA, along with other brave women who have to deal with incredible amounts of gaslighting and dehumanization as Fran mentioned in her article and again could care less what Brodski or you have to say about it
I run a music festival and i am held accountable to its safety in ways Lighthaven and Vibecamp will never be subject to and the consequence free environment that exists for Rationalists is exactly why sexual harassment and assault happens
if you don't believe anything I have to say, you can instead look at what has been uncovered about men in Rationalism here https://archive.ph/xhV0S, and I do know for a fact from talking to journalists that other women are afraid to come forward and name abusers because it will impact their AI career prospects
so in short nathan please miss me with your mansplaining, rationalists think they are clever enough to keep this behaviour up but one day they will pick the wrong target and more women than I will be there to back up what she says
It's shocking you/CEA didn't see a victim cancellation document for what it was.
EA has a documented cultural problem, from the TIME magazine article to what happened to Kathy Forth and beyond. Your organization is embedded in that culture and needs to set an example. If the substantive change is 'hiring a new HR manager', it is not good enough.
I urge and implore you to seek expertise outside of EA and your organization that has experience in dealing with these issues, and to be transparent about their findings. If Leverage Research could do it, so can CEA.
The exceptionalism inherent in EA / rat communities leads to actions that work out to corrupt police departments investigating themselves and it really needs to stop.
As one of the people quoted in the article I can heartily concur with this from personal experience (I'm really surprised by the disagrees).
Rationalist mouthpiece Eneasz Brodski wrote this https://deathisbad.substack.com/p/any-community-that-tolerates-trauma in response to me coming forward about a safety issue with a man at Vibecamp 2, which is a manual and encouragement on ostracizing victims of sexual violence.
The reaction from the community, especially from other rationalist mouthpieces is almost a mirror of Fran's experience. Until leaders have the courage to both admit there are systemic problems and that they need outside help to deal with them, these issues will continue to happen.
truly, thank you Fran <3
i wholeheartedly agree with what you've said here, i've unfortunately had experience with sexual violence from all angles: a friend of mine was the woman who finally got the story of Marc Emery's sex pestery published, I've supported other women at events and sometimes recounting what happened, even to myself is so surreal
there are failures of inexperience and failures by choice, and I am very tired of hearing about victims being held to documentarian standards whilst the people around them quietly contribute to their social death behind closed doors in addition to everything else they have to go through
it's been a difficult few years knowing i wasn't even worth a direct 'we don't believe you and we're not going to do anything' from either community or event, and i really can't tell you how much this comment means to me <3
lol how did i know men would be showing up to defend this disgusting article
from details in it i know it is about what i wrote about being sexually assaulted and cornered in a music venue at Vibecamp 2
after I brought it up at VC2 decompression somewhere there interrupted to talk about the dating plight of autistic men (which is why I was quoted), afterwards Aella implied that I was 'outsourcing my agency' at men, and complained to show i was sufficiently attractive and had enough status to perform rejections
Brodski is a coward who didn't have the guts to address me directly and instead wrote this passive aggresive garbage which EQUATES VIOLENT RAPISTS AND VICTIMS
what I talked about is what women who participate in nightlife have to worry about, and i could care less what sheltered berkeley philosophers have to say about whether my concerns are reasonable or not
sheltered men policing what a woman is allowed to feel in response to threats is the definition of patriarchy, misogyny, and a lot of other things rife within Rationalism
Vibecamp has ignored the fact that I was sexually assaulted for over 2 years, Brooke Bowman promised followup that never happened, that is the definition of being dismissive
I am very happy to be the person calling out the massive systemic problem in rationalism and EA, along with other brave women who have to deal with incredible amounts of gaslighting and dehumanization as Fran mentioned in her article and again could care less what Brodski or you have to say about it
I run a music festival and i am held accountable to its safety in ways Lighthaven and Vibecamp will never be subject to and the consequence free environment that exists for Rationalists is exactly why sexual harassment and assault happens
if you don't believe anything I have to say, you can instead look at what has been uncovered about men in Rationalism here https://archive.ph/xhV0S, and I do know for a fact from talking to journalists that other women are afraid to come forward and name abusers because it will impact their AI career prospects
so in short nathan please miss me with your mansplaining, rationalists think they are clever enough to keep this behaviour up but one day they will pick the wrong target and more women than I will be there to back up what she says
Thank you Aida <3
it is crazy what these people will straight up say out loud, and even crazier what people will do to cover for toxic people
Zach, with all due respect:
It's shocking you/CEA didn't see a victim cancellation document for what it was.
EA has a documented cultural problem, from the TIME magazine article to what happened to Kathy Forth and beyond. Your organization is embedded in that culture and needs to set an example. If the substantive change is 'hiring a new HR manager', it is not good enough.
I urge and implore you to seek expertise outside of EA and your organization that has experience in dealing with these issues, and to be transparent about their findings. If Leverage Research could do it, so can CEA.
The exceptionalism inherent in EA / rat communities leads to actions that work out to corrupt police departments investigating themselves and it really needs to stop.
As one of the people quoted in the article I can heartily concur with this from personal experience (I'm really surprised by the disagrees).
Rationalist mouthpiece Eneasz Brodski wrote this https://deathisbad.substack.com/p/any-community-that-tolerates-trauma in response to me coming forward about a safety issue with a man at Vibecamp 2, which is a manual and encouragement on ostracizing victims of sexual violence.
The reaction from the community, especially from other rationalist mouthpieces is almost a mirror of Fran's experience. Until leaders have the courage to both admit there are systemic problems and that they need outside help to deal with them, these issues will continue to happen.