SiobhanBall

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Hi, thanks for bringing this to our attention! I'm generally in favour of any new measure which increases transparency within EA, as I think the movement has somewhat deviated from its focus on cost-effectiveness (at least in animal advocacy). 

Will CEA be adopting INPAS? 

I think impact compounding is less reliable than stock market returns. The first stunner might be much more impactful (in shaping norms) than the 1000th. The impact of AI safety orgs remain to be seen. Meanwhile, that 6-7% in stock returns is somewhat consistent (though I think it’s closer to 5% in real terms. Also, I’m assuming you would donate the assets directly to avoid tax). 

I’m also unsure of what skill can only be learned by the practice of donating as opposed to, for example, reading grant reports to understand funders’ reasoning.  I suppose you learn more about yourself and how you think about giving, and you develop better habits, but that isn’t a skill. 

However, I think now is generally better than later and agree that death is an arbitrary cash-in point. 
 

Congratulations on the new name! I think it's a great name; it immediately conveys the relationship between the ethical and environmental impacts of farming animals. 

May I ask what the total cost was of this rebrand? The UK government recently got flack about spending £500m on a rebrand of their main website. I'm curious about how EA-aligned funders like Senterra think about cost effectiveness i.e how much went in, and what you're hoping the rebrand will achieve for unlocking new audiences. 

Also, are you in any way affiliated with this investment group? https://senterra.com/

I'm not there, but yes, I would support this idea!

Hi! I'd be happy to help with proofreading/editing for flow and finesse. Let me DM you. 

Whilst I don't have a strong view on the points you're making, why is this getting downvoted? It's a valid discussion. 

'To miss your quota and still have many rejected applicants sitting there seems way too high confidence in yourselves and your criteria' - bang on the money! And I agree this is an EA-wide phenomenon. I'm gonna go look up who you are now because I'm curious! 

I'll do all four of them if you like! 💪🏽

... given how much more productive it's possible to be now, I'm only half-joking. 

Thanks for the suggestion. I already did, and commented. 

I think you're right about the spin - there'll be an abundance of spin in every direction. In the end it'll come down to consumer choice, where I expect millennial and younger gens to embrace the new products quite quickly (within a decade, yes), whilst older folks take longer to adjust. I trust that, eventually, the moral arguments will actually prevail once people no longer see 'traditional' farming (which, as you say, is mostly factory farming in practice) as the only option for getting meat. 

Looking forward to revisiting this post later! 

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