"This disagreement leads to my disagreement with their recommendations—relatively incremental interventions seem much more promising to me."
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"This disagreement leads to my disagreement with their recommendations—relatively incremental interventions seem much more promising to me."
What's the reasoning here?Â
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IABIED Review - An Unfortunate Miss — EA Forum
I listened to "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies" today.
I think the first two parts of the book are the best available explanation of the basic case for AI misalignment risk for a general audience. I thought the last part was pretty bad, and probably recommend skipping it. Even though the authors fail to address counterarguments that I think are crucial, and as a result I am not persuaded of the book’s thesis and think the book neglects to discuss crucial aspects of the situation and makes poor recommendations, I would happily recommend the book to a lay audience and I hope that more people read it.
I can't give an overall assessment of how well this book will achieve its goals. The point of the book is to be well-received by people who don't know much about AI, and I’m not very good at predicting how laypeople will respond to it; seems like results so far are mixed, and reviews from people who are familiar with AI risk are fairly negative. So I’ll just talk about whether I think the arguments in the book are reasonable enough that I want them to be persuasive to the target audience, rather than whether I think they’ll actually succeed.
Thanks to several people for helpful and quick comments and discussion, especially Oli Habryka and Malo Bourgon!
Here's a synopsis and some brief thoughts, part-by-part:
Part 2, where they tell a story of AI takeover, is solid; I only have one footnoted quibble[1].
In general, they try to tell the story as if the AI company involved is very responsible, but IMO they fail to discuss some countermeasures the AI company should take (e.g. I would take those actions if I were in charge of a ten-person team, assuming the rest of the company is being reasonably cooperative with my team). This doesn't hurt the argument very much, because it's easy to instead read it as a story about a real, not-impressively-responsible AI company.
I personally really liked the writing throughout (unlike e.g. Shakeel I didn't find the sentences torturous at all). I'm a huge fan of Eliezer's fiction and most of his non-fiction that doesn't talk about AI, so maybe this is unsurprising. I often find it annoying to read things Eliezer and Nate write about AI, but I genuinely enjoyed the experience of listening to the book. (Also, the narrator for the audiobook does a hilarious job of rendering the dialogues and parables.)
In the text, the authors often state a caveated version of the title, something like "If anyone builds it (with techniques like those available today), everyone dies". But they also frequently state or imply the uncaveated title. I'm quite sympathetic to something like the caveated version of the title[2]. But I have a huge problem with equivocating between the caveated and uncaveated versions.
There are two possible argument structures that I think you can use to go from the caveated thesis to the uncaveated one, and both rely on steps that are IMO dubious:
Argument structure one:
This is the argument that I (perhaps foolishly and incorrectly) understood Eliezer and Nate to be making when I worked with them, and the argument I made when I discussed AI x-risk five years ago, right before I started changing my mind on takeoff speeds.
I think Eliezer and Nate aren’t trying to make this argument—they are agnostic on timelines and they don’t want to argue that sub-ASI AI will be very unimportant for the world. I think they are using what I’ll call “argument structure two”:
The authors are (unlike me) confident in tricky hypothesis 2. The book says almost nothing about either the big complication or tricky hypothesis 2, and I think that’s a big hole in their argument that a better book would have addressed.[3]
I think that explicitly mentioning the big complication is pretty important for giving your audience an accurate picture of what you're expecting. Whenever I try to picture the development of ASI, it's really salient in my picture that that world already has much more powerful AI than today’s, and the AI researchers will be much more used to seeing their AIs take unintended actions that have noticeably bad consequences. Even aside from the question of whether it changes the bottom line, it’s a salient-enough part of the picture that it feels weird to neglect discussing it. (See also Lukas's articulation of this complaint.)
And of course, the core disagreement that leads me to disagree so much with Eliezer and Nate on both P(AI takeover) and on what we should do to reduce it: I don't agree with tricky hypothesis 2. I think that the trajectory between here and ASI gives a bunch of opportunities for mitigating risk, and most of our effort should be focused on exploiting those opportunities. If you want to read about this, you could check out the back-and-forth me and my coworkers had with some MIRI people here, or the back-and-forth Scott Alexander and Eliezer had here.
(This is less relevant given the authors’ goal for this book, but from my perspective, another downside of not discussing tricky hypothesis 2 is that, aside from being relevant to estimating P(AI takeover), understanding the details of these arguments is crucial if you want to make progress on mitigating these risks.)
If they wanted to argue a weaker claim, I'd be entirely on board. For example, I’d totally get behind:
But instead, they propose a much stronger thesis that they IMO fail to justify.
This disagreement leads to my disagreement with their recommendations—relatively incremental interventions seem much more promising to me.
(There’s supplementary content online. I only read some of this content, but it seemed somewhat lower quality than the book itself. I'm not sure how much of that is because the supplementary content is actually worse, and how much of it is because the supplementary content gets more into the details of things—I think that the authors and MIRI staff are very good at making simple conceptual arguments clearly, and are weaker when arguments require attention to detail.)
(I will also parenthetically remark that superintelligence is less central in my picture than theirs. I think that there is substantial risk posed by AIs that are not wildly superintelligent, and it's plausible that humans purposefully or involuntarily cede control to AIs that are less powerful than the wildly superintelligent ones the authors describe in this book. This causes me to disagree in a bunch of places.)
I would like it if more people read this book, I think. The main downsides are:
Despite my complaints, I’m happy to recommend the book, especially with the caveat that I think it's wrong about a bunch of stuff including the thesis. Even given all the flaws, I don't know of a resource for laypeople that’s half as good at explaining what AI is, describing superintelligence, and making the basic case for misalignment risk. After reading the book, it feels like a shocking oversight that no one wrote it earlier.
 In their story, the company figures out a way to scale the AI in parallel, and then the company suddenly massively increases the parallel scale and the AI starts plotting against them. This seems somewhat implausible—probably the parallel scale would be increased gradually, just for practical reasons. But if that scaling had happened more gradually, the situation probably still wouldn't have gone that well for humanity if the AI company was as incautious as I expect, so whatever. (My objection here is different from what Scott complained about and Eliezer responded to here—I’m not saying it’s hugely unrealistic for parallel scaling to pretty suddenly lead to capabilities improving as rapidly as depicted in the book, I’m saying that if such a parallel scaling technique was developed, it would probably be tested out with incrementally increasing amounts of parallelism, if nothing else just for practical engineering reasons.)
 My main problems with the caveated version of the title:
 I don't think Eliezer and Nate are capable of writing this better book, because I think their opinions on this topic are pretty poorly thought through.
PSA: The online resources do indeed contain quite a few counter-counterarguments that didn't fit into the book. (Buck probably knows this already, some readers might not.)Â