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trevor1Nov 21 20222

The website is unsatisfying to look at right now, and although the content is perfect, I'm worried about recommending it to people since they will be very put off by the design.

A good solution is probably to add in dall-e images underneath each article headline, as a clickable link. It costs ~13 cents for four images

"modelling the end of monkeypox, mokey holding a virus, cover art, painting"

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gwern

Nov 23 2022

I like it overall. But I have a lot of questions about the 'highlight' feature (bottom of page*): aside from the many teething problems Said has already documented, which bugs doubtless will be fixed, I don't understand what the usecase is, compared to other web annotation systems like Hypothesis - so it stores arbitrary ranges of text, saving them to, I assume, dangerously ephemeral browser LocalStorage where they will be unpredictably erased in a few hours / days / weeks, and unavailable on any other device presumably. Why do I want this? They aren't clipped to something like Evernote, they aren't synced to my phone, they aren't saved anywhere safe, they aren't posted to social media or visible to anyone else in any way... Is the idea to highlight various parts and then manually copy-paste them? * the pervasive lack of IDs on elements which makes them unlinkable is also an issue with the web pages. section class="highlights"><h2>About Highlights</h2> 😮‍💨

Jaime Sevilla

Nov 23 2022

I thought that the point was to help with active reading and little more.

gwernNov 23 20225

Maybe? I can't easily appreciate such a usecase because I always want to save any excerpts I find worth excerpting. Are there a lot of people who want that? If that's the idea, I guess the "About Highlights" dialogue needs a bit of documentation to explain the intended (and unintended) uses. At least, anyone who doesn't realize that the annotations are ephemeral, because they aren't enough of a web dev to understand 'What you save is stored only on your specific browser locally' is as much of a bug as it is a feature, is in for a bad time when their annotations inevitably get deleted...

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Announcing the first issue of Asterisk

by Clara Collier

Nov 21 20221 min read 47

275

Animal welfareBiosecurityCommunityExistential riskForecastingPhilosophyPolicyAsteriskScientific progressSemiconductorsCompute governanceFarmed animal welfareHistoryMoral circle expansionNuclear securityWeapons of mass destruction

Frontpage

Are you a fan of engaging, epistemically rigorous longform writing about the world's most pressing problems? Interested in in-depth interviews with leading scholars? A reader of taste and discernment? Sick of FTXcourse?

Distract yourself with the inaugural issue of Asterisk Magazine, out now!

Asterisk is a new quarterly journal of clear writing and clear thinking about things that matter (and, occasionally, things we just think are interesting). In this issue:

Kelsey Piper argues that What We Owe The Future can't quite support the weight of its own premises.
Kevin Esvelt talks about how we can prevent the next pandemic.
Jared Leibowich gives us a superforecaster's approach to modeling monkeypox.
Christopher Leslie Brown on the history of abolitionism and the slippery concept of moral progress
Stuart Ritchie tries to find out if the replication crisis has really made science better.
Dietrich Vollrath explains what economists do and don't know about why some countries become rich and others don't.
Scott Alexander asks: is wine fake?
Karson Elmgren on the history and future of China's semiconductor industry.
Xander Balwit imagines a future where genetic engineering has radically altered the animals we eat.

A huge thank you to everyone in the community who helped us make Asterisk a reality. We hope you all enjoy reading it as much as we enjoyed making it.

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Habryka [Deactivated]Nov 21 202254

This seems really great! I really loved Kelsey's post on What We Owe The Future and would love to see it crossposted to the EA Forum, if possible.

It seems like this is also trying to be a print magazine, but after clicking around hopefully for 3 minutes, I have failed to find a way to acquire it in print format. How can I give you my money?

Clara CollierNov 21 202214

We're working on it! The logistics of setting up print subscriptions in a way that syncs with our printer turned out to be pretty complicated and we didn't want to delay the launch further, but the store should be live in a couple of days.

peterhartreeNov 22 20229

+1 to looking forward to print copies.

My ideal format would be PDF eBook of all the articles. Willing to pay.

Habryka [Deactivated]Nov 21 20222

Seems good, looking forward to buying a few of these!

Hamish McDoodlesNov 21 202239

gwernNov 21 202228

For those wondering why we needed a stylish magazine for provocative rationalist/EA nonfiction when Works In Progress is pretty good too, Scott Alexander says

Works In Progress is a Progress Studies magazine, I'm sure these two movements look exactly the same to everyone on the outside, but we're very invested in the differences between them.

Michael Noetel 🔸Nov 22 202218

Could Nonlinear Library or Perrin Walker do audio versions of these articles? 🙏

Guy RavehNov 22 20225

Yesterday I listened to Kelsey Piper's review using the Google Assistant text-to-speech (which only works for web pages), and it worked pretty well. Only a couple words are mispronounced ("aye" for AI).

Stephen ClareNov 22 202216

Fred Kaplan's article on US nuclear policy is amazing. So many interesting parts, but my favourites were:

How US nuclear policy evolved in part due to Navy-Air Force competition over budgets
How targeting became a function of supply, rather than supply being determined by targeting needs
How Dick Cheney, of all people, helped cut the arsenal from over 12,000 warheads to 2200
Why the US's nuclear budget has recently increased dramatically, and how Obama accidentally contributed to this despite wanting to further cut the arsenal

A very dramatic account of how public choice dynamics lead to crazy outcomes in foreign policy.

Said AchmizNov 22 202215

Bug report thread (posting as I notice them). (Chrome 103.0.5060.134, Mac, 1080p display, standard DPI.)

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

It is possible to create a highlight for the same selected text twice, after which it’s possible to delete one of the highlights, but not the second.

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

The link click area for the left-side table of contents / scroll progress thing extends far enough to interfere with the click area for the “create highlight” asterisk button: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.31.35%20PM.png

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

It is possible to highlight whitespace, and then difficult to realize what happened, or to remove the highlight: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.30.03%20PM.png

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

Having created multiple highlights on the same line, it is not possible to select which one is deleted when the “x” button is clicked: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.28.48%20PM.png

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

It is possible to create multiple highlights in the same paragraph, in which case they overlap in the floating highlights section: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.26.46%20PM.png

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

When scrolled up all the way on an article page, the highlights are not visible. (This is not, or not just, because the “hamburger” menu button blocks them; scroll down just enough to hide the menu button, and the highlights are still not visible: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.26.19%20PM.png )

Said AchmizNov 22 20221

The page is slightly too wide for the viewport, causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear: https://share.obormot.net/screenshots/Arcturus_Screen%20Shot%202022-11-22%20at%204.20.28%20PM.png

Neel NandaNov 21 202214

Excited to read! Is there an easy way to download a copy to read offline? Eg a PDF with all the articles. (Obviously I can just save each article individually, but it's nice to have an easier way!)

Clara CollierNov 21 20229

I have a PDF of the print version I'm happy to send to you – if there's a lot of demand, I'll put it up on the website.

Will BradshawNov 21 20224

I'd really like a pdf too.

rdestenayNov 21 20221

I'd love to get a print version but I don't see anything about that on the website. Would it be possible to buy one?

Clara CollierNov 21 20222

The web store should be live in a couple of days.

Said AchmizNov 23 20225

Here is a PDF version of the monkeypox article:

https://share.obormot.net/temp/asteriskmag-modeling-the-end-of-monkeypox.pdf

You can generate such a PDF from any article on the site, in the following way:

Using browser dev tools, add a style sheet to the page, and paste in the following CSS:

@media print {
	header.nav-down,
	#popup,
	#popup-trigger,
	#progress,
	section.prev_next,
	.footnotes-list li .close {
		display: none;
	}
	.notes-container,
	.footnotes-list li {
		position: static;
		max-width: unset;
	}
	.notes-container {
		width: var(--maxwidth-text);
		margin: 3em auto 3em auto;
		padding: 1em 0 0 1em;
		border-top: 1px solid black;
	}
	.footnotes-list li {
		width: unset;
		margin: 1em auto;	
		display: list-item;
		padding: 0;
		border: none;
		list-style-type: decimal;
	}
}

Use your browser’s Print… command to save the page as a PDF.

(This is possible on a Mac, and I think also on Windows; I don’t know about Linux.)

It would be easy for someone to create such PDFs of all the currently available articles, to combine them into one file, to convert to ebook format, etc.

rotatingpaguroNov 22 20225

I'd like a PDF version too. I appreciated the effort in an online highlighter, but on the PDF I can take arbitrary notes and they will stay saved forever on my computer if I need to find something I read and my thoughts on it, it does happen.

In particular I'd like a PDF with WIDE MARGINS. Not like normal newspaper pdfs were you have to take notes in collapsible stickies or find a sophisticated note-taker app that is not compatible with other readers.

Dr Dan EpsteinNov 21 20228

fantastic to see more edited long form with good writing! The website typography and layout also beautiful btw. Reminds of me slightly of the Economist but tbh looks and feels better. nice work!

DirectedEvolutionNov 23 20227

I love the way the main text is centered and the footnotes appear immediately to the right of the reference.

PabloNov 22 20226

Very impressive first issue!

A request: when I print an article as a PDF, the notes are omitted. I understand that the margins on an A4 page are not wide enough to include sidenotes, but why not turn them into footnotes?

Eevee🔹Nov 22 20226

Nice! This is like Works in Progress but for EA. Hope to see a crossover episode soon! :)

Max_He-HoNov 24 20223

Would highly appreciate DOIs for the articles of the journal.

Thanks for the great work!

ryancbriggsNov 23 20223

I just finished reading all of it, and it was very enjoyable. Kudos to the editors and contributors. For all I know this is complicated and not worth it, but I would really appreciate if there was a way that I could subscribe to this in Apple News+. I like the offline, not-in-browser reading mode and I'd like to slot this reading alongside other long form magazines mentally. I have no clue how Apple News works not the back end, but the magazines must get money out of this. Finally, getting on Apple News might help you extend your audience.

trevor1Nov 21 20222

The website is unsatisfying to look at right now, and although the content is perfect, I'm worried about recommending it to people since they will be very put off by the design.

A good solution is probably to add in dall-e images underneath each article headline, as a clickable link. It costs ~13 cents for four images

"modelling the end of monkeypox, mokey holding a virus, cover art, painting"

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bruceNov 21 202225

Just chiming in with an extra anecdotal data point that (on my laptop at least) I think the design looks great, from colour scheme to font choice - it's clear that a lot of effort has been put into this. I also really like the save highlight function, which I hadn't seen before, and thought it was a neat design choice to use an asterix there too (as well as the blurbs that come up when you hover over titles). I've only skimmed 1 article so far so can't comment on the content, but definitely would not hesitate to recommend this to people based on its current design, and I'd probably also anti-recommend adding dall-e images (at least the 4 that have come up).

Thanks to Clara and the team who have put this together!

Kelsey PiperNov 21 202222

I think Asterisk is deliberately trying to look different from Substack, Medium, news sites, etc., rather than doing so accidentally/ as a product of being unaware of how to look like those sites.

trevor1Nov 22 20221

I'm on desktop, not mobile, and most people are on mobile I guess, so maybe that's what's doing it. I don't use smartphones but it seems like it should work fine on a screen that size.

Guy RavehNov 21 20223

I actually really like the design, and that's despite my being in the "dark theme everything" camp.

Making this account""Nov 21 20220

(This is totally piling on here, and AI assisted art and content has a big future)

It's obvious to everyone that a lot of "2022-style" Dall-E content is gimmicky, not a substitute for illustrators, and going to age poorly.

gwernNov 22 20225

I agree. I've already started to develop a bit of an instinctive 'ugh' reaction to random illustrations, even ones without obvious generative model tell-tales or the DALL-E watermark.

It's comparable to how you feel when you notice that little '© Getty Images' or a Memphis style image, and realize your time & (mental) bandwidth was wasted by the image equivalent of an emoji. It's not that they look bad, necessarily, but they increasingly signify 'cheap' and 'tacky'. (After all, if this monkey pox image can be generated by a prompt of 12 redundant words, then that's another of saying that the image is worth far less than a thousand words - it's worth less than 12...)

It gets worse if you can spot any flaws or they do look bad overall: "so you couldn't even take another minute to generate a variant without blatant artifacting? That's how slovenly and careless your work is, and how little you respect your readers?"

Guy RavehNov 22 20223

if this monkey pox image can be generated by a prompt of 12 redundant words, then that's another of saying that the image is worth far less than a thousand words - it's worth less than 12...

It's only worth less than 12 if you have mental access to state of the model after training. If not, it also includes a bunch of what it learned.

Making this account""Nov 23 20221

Thanks, I appreciate your perspective. I think I agree directionally but I'm not as negative (also I don't know what Memphis design is, I'll look it up).

Overall, I think my original comment's tone was too negative. It looks like the parent comment retracted, probably because everyone piled on =( .

I think my intent behind my original comment was about the aesthetics and purposes/agenda of Asterisk. I'm pretty sure they want to signal depth/legitimacy, and avoid trendiness.

What is your view about Asterisk's design, separate from the Dall-E issue?

gwernNov 23 2022*1

I like it overall.

But I have a lot of questions about the 'highlight' feature (bottom of page*): aside from the many teething problems Said has already documented, which bugs doubtless will be fixed, I don't understand what the usecase is, compared to other web annotation systems like Hypothesis - so it stores arbitrary ranges of text, saving them to, I assume, dangerously ephemeral browser LocalStorage where they will be unpredictably erased in a few hours / days / weeks, and unavailable on any other device presumably. Why do I want this? They aren't clipped to something like Evernote, they aren't synced to my phone, they aren't saved anywhere safe, they aren't posted to social media or visible to anyone else in any way... Is the idea to highlight various parts and then manually copy-paste them?

* the pervasive lack of IDs on elements which makes them unlinkable is also an issue with the web pages. section class="highlights"><h2>About Highlights</h2> 😮‍💨

Jaime SevillaNov 23 20222

I thought that the point was to help with active reading and little more.

gwernNov 23 20225

Markus Amalthea MagnusonNov 21 20222

Very interesting and beautifully crafted. Just wanted to mention that your newsletter signup might have some issue, when I try to sign up I get an error alert saying "Could not connect to the registration server. Please try again later.".

Clara CollierNov 21 20221

This seems to be an issue on mailchimp's end, not ours – their servers have been having outages all morning. I recommend trying again in a bit.

Markus Amalthea MagnusonNov 21 20221

I think the JS alert was caused by my ad blockers. When I turned off both uBlock Origin and Firefox's built-in one, the request was sent to Mailchimp successfully. Have not received a confirmation though which might be related to the issue you mention.

Clara CollierNov 21 20221

Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I'll talk to my web developer right away.

YitzNov 22 20221

This was a really fun read; thanks for helping put it together!!