Thanks for the post, Matthew.
So what should one do in a situation like this? Well, we can take our cue from people in finance. What do finance people do when there is a risky business that might fail but might become worth a lot? They diversify! They invest in a hundred companies like this, knowing that though 90 of them may fail, the rest will succeed enough to make it worth it.
Investing in many companies to increase the chance of a big win makes sense because each investment has a potentially very large upside, but limited downside. In contrast, I believe charitable donations can have both a large upside and downside. For example, my best guess is that GiveWell's top charities increase the welfare of soil animals 610 k times as much as they increase the welfare of humans in expectation, but that the probability of them increasing welfare is only slightly above 50 %. They decrease soil-animal-years, but my probability for soil animals having negative lives is only slightly below 50 %.
But it’s also partly for reasons of moral uncertainty—while I am a utilitarian, it wouldn’t be completely shocking if deontology turned out to be right. If deontology is right and animals have rights, then eating meat is about as bad as being a serial killer.
It seems pretty clear to me that more animal farming decreases animal deaths due to increasing animal-years of soil animals way more than it decreases the animal-years of farmed animals, and soil animals having shorter lives than farmed animals ("number of deaths" = "animal-years"/"life expectancy"). Moreover, I also think animal farming decreases animal deaths weighted by the absolute value of the expected welfare per animal-year of the animals involved. I estimate animal farming changes the welfare of soil animals much more than it decreases the welfare of farmed animals.
My guess would be others are the same; if people could only give to one charity, probably very few people would go all in on the shrimp.
@Bentham's Bulldog, why farmed shrimps instead of soil animals? I estimate soil ants, termites, springtails, mites, and nematodes have 8.89 M (= 1.76*10^23/(1.98*10^16)) times as many neurons in total as farmed shrimps, and I think the total number of neurons underestimates the importance of soil animals relative to shrimps. You assume you agree with this too? In the post linked above, you say the "estimate that shrimp suffer about 3.1% as intensely as humans" "is a highly conservative estimate", whereas Rethink Priorities (RP) estimates shrimps have 10^-6 as many neurons as humans (see Table 5 here).
What matters is increasing welfare as much as possible per $, and this need not imply prioritising increasing the welfare of the animals accounting for the vast majority of total welfare in absolute terms. However, I estimate the Shrimp Welfare Project’s (SWP’s) Humane Slaughter Initiative (HSI) increases the welfare of shrimps only 0.0292 % as cost-effectively as the Centre for Exploratory Altruism Research’s (CEARCH’s) High Impact Philanthropy Fund (HIPF) increases the welfare of humans, and soil animals due to it decreasing 5.07 billion soil-animal-years per $.
Suppose there are three possibilities which entail surprising moral conclusions. Suppose you give them each 30% odds. You might be tempted to dismiss them because any individual one is likely false. But the odds are ~2/3 that one of them is right. So if you diversify, if you take lots of high risk but high reward morally speculative actions, odds are decent that some of your actions will do lots of good!
Agreed. At the same time, taking more actions also means a higher chance of some doing lots of harm.
I think the desire people in the effective altruism community have besides doing the most good is not so much making sure they do some good, but making sure they are overall doing good instead of harm. Doing some good, but lots of harm would not be appealing.
I also believe trying to do the most expected good makes more sense because it can vary a lot across portfolios, whereas these being net positive or negative in expectation will in my mind remain very unclear. I think electrically stunning shrimp is one of the interventions outside research which more clearly increases welfare in expectation, and I would say it is still unclear whether it increases or decreases welfare in expectation due to effects on soil animals, and even more so accounting for microorganisms. For my individual welfare per animal-year proportional to "number of neurons"^0.5, I determined electrically stunning shrimp increases the welfare of these by 0.00144 QALY/shrimp. There are 94.3 shrimps per shrimp-kg. So infer electrically stunning shrimp increases the welfare of these by 0.136 QALY/shrimp-kg (= 0.00144*94.3). For my individual welfare per animal-year proportional to "number of neurons"^0.5, I estimate replacing farmed shrimp with farmed fish changes the welfare of soil ants, termites, springtails, mites, and nematodes by 364 QALY/shrimp-kg (= 522 - 158). So I conclude electrically stunning farmed shrimp changes the welfare of soil animals more than it increases the welfare of shrimps if it results in the replacement of more than 0.0374 % (= 0.136/364) of the consumption of the affected farmed shrimp by farmed fish. I can easily see this happening for even a slight increase in the cost of shrimp.