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I think these articles are very good.
In my opinion, the singularity hypothesis is the widely held EA belief that is the least backed by evidence or even argumentation. People will just throw out claims like "AGI will solve cold fusion in 6 months", or "AGI will cure death within our lifetime" without feeling the need to provide any caveats or arguments in their favor, as if the imminent arrival of god-AI is obvious common knowledge.
I'm not saying you can't believe this stuff (although I believe you will be wrong), but at least treat them like the extraordinary claims they are.
Intelligence Explosion: For a sustained period
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence: Proposing that exponential or hyperbolic growth will occur for a prolonged period [Emphasis mine]
Just to help nail down the crux here, I don't see why more than a few days of an intelligence explosion is required for a singularity event.
I feel this claim is disconnected with the definition of the singularity given in the paper:
The singularity hypothesis begins with the supposition that artificial agents will gain the ability to improve their own intelligence. From there, it is claimed that the intelligence of artificial agents will grow at a rapidly accelerating rate, producing an intelligence explosion in which artificial agents quickly become orders of magnitude more intelligent than their human creators. The result will be a singularity, understood as a fundamental discontinuity in human history beyond which our fate depends largely on how we interact with artificial agents
Further in the paper you write:
The singularity hypothesis posits a sustained period of accelerating growth in the general intelligence of artificial agents.
[Emphasis mine]. I can't see any reference for either the original definition and later addition of "sustained".
Ah - that comes from the discontinuity claim. If you have accelerating growth that isn't sustained for very long, you get something like population growth from 1800-2000, where the end result is impressive but hardly a discontinuity comparable to crossing the event horizon of a black hole.
(The only way to go around the assumption of sustained growth would be to post one or a few discontinuous leaps towards superintelligence. But that's harder to defend, and it abandons what was classically taken to ground the singularity hypothesis, namely the appeal to recursive self-improvement).
As you write:
The result will be a singularity, understood as a fundamental discontinuity in human history beyond which our fate depends largely on how we interact with artificial agents
The discontinuity is a result of humans no longer being the smartest agents in the world, and no longer being in control of our own fate. After this point, we've entered an event horizon where the output is almost entirely unforeseeable.
If you have accelerating growth that isn't sustained for very long, you get something like population growth from 1800-2000
If, after surpassing humans, intelligence "grows" exponentially for another 200 years, do you not think we've passed an event horizon? I certainly do!
If not, using the metric of single agent intelligence (i.e. not the sum of intelligence in a group of agents), at what point during an exponential growth curve that intersects human level intelligence, would you defining as crossing the event horizon?
Circuits’ energy requirements have massively increased—increasing costs and overheating.[6]
I'm not sure I understand this claim, and I can't see that it's supported by the cited paper.
Is the claim that energy costs have increased faster than computation? This would be cruxy, but it would also be incorrect.
Here's a gentle introduction to the kinds of worries people have (https://spectrum.ieee.org/power-problems-might-drive-chip-specialization). Of the cited references "the chips are down for moore's law" is probably best on this issue, but a little longer/harder. There's plenty of literature on problems with heat dissipation if you search the academic literature. I can dig up references on energy if you want, but with Sam Altman saying we need a fundamental energy revolution even to get to AGI, is there really much controversy over the idea that we'll need a lot of energy to get to superintelligence?
This post summarizes "Against the Singularity Hypothesis," a Global Priorities Institute Working Paper by David Thorstad. This post is part of my sequence of GPI Working Paper summaries. For more, Thorstad’s blog, Reflective Altruism, has a three-part series on this paper.
The effective altruism community has allocated substantial resources to catastrophic risks from AI, partly motivated by the singularity hypothesis about AI’s rapid advancement. While many[1] AI experts and philosophers have defended the singularity hypothesis, Thorstad argues the case for it is surprisingly thin.
Thorstad describes the singularity hypothesis in (roughly) the following three parts:[2]
Thorstad offers five reasons to doubt the intelligence growth rate proposed by the singularity hypothesis.
Chalmers (p.20) argues against diminishing growth rates with what Thorstad calls the observational argument:
Thorstad has two objections to the observational argument:
Bostrom’s argument for the intelligence explosion relies on two things:
Thorstad divides Bostrom’s case[13] into three categories.
Bostrom’s first scenario is this. Say the first human-level AI is an emulation of a human brain. We’d likely face high recalcitrance working toward this emulation, but it may drop afterward. Thorstad admits recalcitrance would likely drop after this breakthrough, but argues we have no reason to suspect it’ll be sustained for long enough.
Bostrom’s second scenario envisions large increases in agents’ datasets that bring increased intelligence. Thorstad finds this plausible but insufficient to suddenly create superintelligence. Humanity’s collective knowledge already comprises these data, but we’ve only gotten so far.
Bostrom offers two more reasons for low recalcitrance:
Thorstad argues both of these are implausible, meaning they require supporting evidence that Bostrom has yet to provide.
Bostrom’s account of the intelligence explosion has two assumptions:
The singularity hypothesis posits sustained accelerating growth in AI’s general intelligence thanks to recurring self-improvement. Thorstead argues against this rapid, sustained, growth rate:
Thorstead objects to two key philosophical arguments for the singularity hypothesis. He argues…
Thorstead believes doubting the singularity hypothesis gives us reason to:
For more, see the paper itself or Thorstad’s blog, Reflective Altruism, which has a three-part series on this paper.
This description is largely based on arguments by David Chalmers, Nick Bostrom, and I.J. Good.
Under Chalmers’ account, the growth rate must be sustained at least until machines exceed humans in intelligence by as much as humans exceed mice. Under Richard Loosemore and Ben Goertzel’s account, it must last at least until machines become 2-3 orders of magnitude more generally intelligent than humans.
“The number of FDA-approved drugs per billion dollars of inflation-adjusted research expenditure decreased from over forty drugs per billion in the 1950s to less than one drug per billion in the 2000s (Scannell et al. 2012). And in the twenty years from 1971 to 1991, inflation-adjusted agricultural research expenditures in developed nations rose by over sixty percent, yet growth in crop yields per acre dropped by fifteen percent (Alston et al. 2000).”
And many cycles of self-improvement are likely necessary for the orders of magnitude increase in intelligence proposed by the singularity hypothesis.
See Mack (2011)
See Waldrop (2016)
Thorstead uses the term “underlying quantities,” and intends to refer to quantities such as processing speed, memory and search depth.
Additionally, if the slow pace of performance increase arises from diminishing research productivity, the problem becomes reallocated, not solved.
“An immediate reaction to that claim is that it is implausible. Perhaps more carefully, if advocates of the singularity hypothesis want to make such claims, they need to do two things. First, they need to clarify the relevant notion of intelligence on which it makes sense to speak of an intelligence increase on this scale having occurred. And second, they need to explain how the relevant notion of intelligence can do the work that their view demands. For example, they need to explain why we should expect increases in intelligence to lead to proportional increases in the ability to design intelligent agents (Section 4) and why we should attribute impressive and godlike powers to agents several orders of magnitude more intelligent than the average human (Section 6).”
“To the best of my knowledge, this section surveys every detailed suggestion from Chapter 4 of Superintelligence in support of low recalcitrance and high optimization power.”
See bullet point number 5 in the “Growth” section of this summary or Section 3.5 of Thorstad’s “Against the Singularity Hypothesis.”
I support people poking at the foundations of these arguments. And I especially appreciated the discussion of bottlenecks, which I think is an important topic and often brushed aside in these discussions.
That said, I found that this didn't really speak to the reasons I find most compelling in favour of something like the singularity hypothesis. Thorstad says in the second blog post:
I think this is wrong. (Though the paper itself avoids making the same mistake.) There are lots of coherent models where the effective research output of the AI systems is growing faster than the difficulty of increasing intelligence, leading to accelerating improvements despite each doubling of intelligence getting harder than the last. These are closely analogous to the models which can (depending on some parameter choices) produce a singularity in economic growth by assuming endogenous technological growth.
In general I agree with Thorstad that the notion of "intelligence" is not pinned down enough to build tight arguments on it. But I think that he goes too far in inferring that the arguments aren't there. Rather I think that the strongest versions of the arguments don't directly route through an analysis of intelligence, but something more like the economic analysis. If further investments in AI research drive the price-per-unit-of-researcher-year-equivalent down in fast enough, this could lead to hyperbolic increases in the amount of effective research progress, and this could in turn lead to rapid increases in intelligence -- however one measures that. I agree that this isn't enough to establish that things will be "orders of magnitude smarter than humans", but for practical purposes the upshot that "there will be orders of magnitude more effective intellectual labour from AI than from humans" does a great deal of work.
On the argument that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I'd have been interested to see Thorstad's takes on the analyses which suggest that long-term historical growth rates are hyperbolic, e.g. Roodman (2020). I think of that as one of the more robust long-term patterns in world history. The hypothesis which says "this pattern will approximately continue" doesn't feel to me to be extraordinary. You might say "ah, but that doesn't imply a singularity in intelligence", and I would agree -- but I think that if you condition on this kind of future hyperbolic growth in the economy, the hypothesis that there will be a very large accompanying increase in intelligence (however that's measured) also seems kind of boring rather than extraordinary.