I tend to think common knowledge of overall ambivalence or laziness in vetting writers, evidenced by the magazines behind Torres' clickbait career, is worth promoting https://markfuentes1.substack.com/p/emile-p-torress-history-of-dishonesty tho I don't know anything about this mark fuentes character or if he's trustworthy. 

I guess I can say what I've always said: that the value of sneer/dunk culture is publicity and antiselection. People who think sneer/dunk culture makes bad writing become attracted to us and people who think it's good writing don't. 

It's a genuine problem (that is, evidence against) the sort of utilitarian and consequentialist views common in EA, that they in principle justify killing arbitrary numbers of innocents, if they are replaced by people with better lives (or for that matter enough people with worse-but-net positive lives; the latter view is one reason total utilitarianism isn't *really* that similar to fascist ideas about master races in my view). It's not surprising this reminds people of historical genocides carried out under racist justifications, though in itself it implies nothing about one human ethnic group being better than another. The problem is particularly serious in my view, because:

A) If your theory gives any weight to creating happy people being good and thinks that a gain in goodness of a large enough amount can outweigh any deontic constraint on murder and other bad actions, then you will get some (hypothetical, unrealistic cases) where killing to replace is morally right. It's hard to think of any EA moral philosophy that doesn't think that sometimes deontic constraints can be overridden if the stakes are high enough. Though of course there are EAs who reject the view that creating happy people is good rather than neutral. 

B) Whilst I struggle to imagine a realistic situation where actual murder looks like the best course of action from a utilitarian perspective, there is a fairly closely related problem involving AI safety and total utilitarianism. Pushing ahead with AI-at least if you believe the arguments for AI X-risk*, carries some chance that everyone will be suddenly murdered. But delaying highly advanced AI, carries some risk we will never reach highly advanced AI, with concomitant loss of a large future population of humans and digital minds. (If nothing else, there could be a thermonuclear war that collapses civilization, and then we could fail to re-industrialize because we've used up the most easily accessible fossil fuels.) Thinking through how much risk of being suddenly murdered it is okay to impose on the public (again, assuming you buy the arguments for AI X-risk), involves deciding how to weigh the interests of current people against the interests of potential future people. It's a problem if our best theories for doing that look like they'd justify atrocity in imagined cases, and imposing counter-intuitively and publicly unacceptable levels or risk in the actual case. (Of course, advanced AI might also bring big benefits to currently existing people, so it's more complicated than just "bad for us, good for the future".) 


It's probably more worthwhile for people to (continue) think(ing)** through the problems for the moral theories here, than to get wound-up about the fact that some American left-wingers sometimes characterize us unfairly in the media. (And I do agree that people like Torres and Gebru sometimes say stuff about us that is false or misleading.) 

*I am skeptical, but enough people in AI are worried that I think it'd be wrong to be sure enough that there's no X-risk to just ignore it. 

**I'm well aware a lot of hard thought has gone into this already. 

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