To clarify, it was just in a Google Reviews carousel they also have on the homepage, at the bottom of the page, and it was quickly removed

But I’m not sure how fruitful it is for all of us to have a vibes-based conversation about the possible merits of this campaign.

I think promoting good norms and making them more "common knowledge" is one of the few ways that EA Forum conversations can maybe be useful.

As in, I think it's good that "everyone knows that everyone knows" that we should have a strong bias to be collaborative towards other projects with similar goals, and these threads can help a bit with that.

(To be clear, my sense is that FarmKind is already well aware of this and this is collaborative campaign, especially after reading their comment. I mean for the EA Forum readers community as a whole)

Edit: new comment from FarmKind

Thank you for sharing this. I'm personally very surprised to see this campaign from FarmKind after reading "With friends like these" from Lewis Bollard and "professionalization has happened, differences have been put aside to focus on higher goals and the drama overall has gone down a lot" from Joey Savoie.

I would have expected the ideal way to promote donations to animal welfare charities to be less antagonizing towards vegan-adjacent people.

@Vasco Grilo🔸 given that your name is on the https://www.forgetveganuary.com/ campaign and you're active on this forum, I'm curious what you think about this. Were you informed?

Edit: they will remove that section from the page

My understanding is that $47k is the estimated time-discounted average lifetime high-impact donations from a 10% pledger, but does not discount for the fact that many pledgers (especially the largest donors giving much more than 10%) would have donated significantly with or without a 10% pledge, so only a fraction of that is counterfactually due to the existence of the 10% pledge and pledge advocacy (whether by gwwc or by others)

Giving What We Can conservatively values the lifetime value of a 🔸 10% Pledge at $100K USD (inflation adjusted to 2024)

Quick note that the number on the GWWC website is about one order of magnitude lower

But of course these are averages, and the people you inspire could give significantly more/less, or significantly more/less counterfactually

will downvote myself for spreading false info, and wasting people's time here.

That seems excessive, it was a reasonable question. I would let other readers decide whether it should be upvoted or downvoted.

But I am surprised you didn't Google "Against Malaria Foundation Crypto" or something like that, it seems faster than asking here.

Yes this post is very much "why I donate" and definitely not "why everyone should donate".

Most people are also not atheists, much poorer ( see gwwc.org/hrai ), value their wellbeing hundreds of times more then the wellbeing of others, and don't view spending money as voting on how the global economy allocates its resources, so all other paragraphs in this post would also not apply.

In that paragraph I mention what I perceive the effect of extra spending vs extra donating to be on others because that informs why I personally donate, I could have phrased it better.

Yeah you literally wrote:

"Under my Christian worldview, nothing I have is really 'mine' anyway, and part of being a good human is to pass on what I've been handed, and even better multiply it if possible."

I think how I see it feels a bit different because I see money more as tool to use than as a resource to share. I think it should be used to help improve the lives of others, but it does importantly feel that it's my responsibility that mine gets used that way. Not sure if that makes sense.

Thanks! I wouldn't overgeneralize the model of "money as votes": I'm not an economist but I think the situation in practice is much more complex and wouldn't apply well to "burning money" (e.g. buying things gives the market information and incentives, and central banks have a target inflation rate, so your "votes" wouldn't be redistributed in the way you'd expect)

I do find it a useful model to keep in mind when thinking about spending, and I think it applies well enough to "yachts/pizza vs bednets" to be useful.