A while back (as I've just been reminded by a discussion on another thread), David Thorstad wrote a bunch of posts critiquing the idea that small reductions in extinction risk have very high value, because the expected number of people who will exist in the future is very high: https://reflectivealtruism.com/category/my-papers/mistakes-in-moral-mathematics/. The arguments are quite complicated, but the basic points are that the expected number of people in the future is much lower than longtermists estimate because:
-Longtermists tend to neglect the fact that even if your intervention blocks one extinction risk, there are others it might fail to block; surviving for billions (or more) of years likely requires driving extinction risk very low for a long period of time, and if we are not likely to survive that long, even conditional on longtermist interventions against one extinction risk succeeding, the value of preventing extinction (conditional on more happy people being valuable) is much lower.
-Longtermists tend to assume that in the future population will be roughly as large as the available resources can support. But ever since the industrial revolution, as countries get richer, their fertility rate falls and falls until it is below replacement. So we can't just assume future population sizes will be near the limits of what the available resources will support.
Thorstad goes on to argue that this weakens the case for longtermism generally, not just the value of extinction risk reductions, since the case for longtermism is that future expected population is many times the current population, or at least could be given plausible levels of longtermist extinction risk reduction effort. He also notes that if he can find multiple common mistakes in longtermist estimates of expected future population, we should expect that those estimates might be off in other ways. (At this point I would note that they could also be missing factors that bias their estimates of future population size down rather than up: Thorstad probably hasn't been looking for those with the same level of effort.)
I am interested in whether there has been any kind of "official" or quasi-official response to Thorstad on these points from leading EA orgs or at least leading individual long-termists. (I know there has been discussion in forum comments, but I mean something more than that.) After all, 80k has now effectively gone all in on AI risk as the cause partly on the basis of longtermist arguments (though they've always been a primarily longtermist org I think) and Open Phil also spends a lot of money on projects that arguably are only amongst the most effective uses of the money if longtermism is true. (It's possible I guess that AI safety work could be high expected value per $ just for saving current lives.) Thorstad used to work for the Global Priorities Institute and I think it is great that they were prepared to employ someone to repeteadly harshly critique the famous theory they are most associated with. But there's not much point in EA soliciting serious criticism if people then mostly ignore it.
Yes, one might say that, even if successful, Tarsney's arguments don't really negate Thorstad's. It's more that, using a more comprehensive modeling approach, we see that - even taking Thorstad's arguments into account - fanatical longtermism remains correct and non-fanatical longtermism remains plausible given some/many/most plausible empirical assumptions. But I don't remember exactly what all of Thorstad's specific arguments in the paper were and how/whether they are accounted for in Tarsney's paper, so someone better informed may please correct me.