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To EAs, "development economics" evokes the image of RCTs on psychotherapy or deworming. That is, after all, the closest interaction between EA and development economists. However, this characterization has prompted some pushback, in the form of the argument that all global health interventions pale in comparison to the Holy Grail: increasing economic growth in poor countries. After all, growth increases basically every measure of wellbeing on a far larger scale than any charity intervention, so it's obviously more important than any micro-intervention. Even a tiny chance of boosting growth in a large developing country will have massive expected value, more than all the GiveWell charities you can fund.

The argument is compelling[1] and well-received - so why haven't "growth interventions" gone anywhere? I think the EA understanding of growth is just too abstract to yield really useful interventions that EA organizations could lobby for or implement directly. We need specific interventions to evaluate, and "lobby for general economic liberalization" won't cut it.

The good news is that a large and active group of "macro-development" economists have been enhancing our understanding of growth in developing countries. They (mostly) don't run RCTs, but they still have credible research designs that can tell us important things about the causes and constraints of growth. In this series of posts, I want to lay out some stylized facts about growth in developing countries. These are claims which are backed up by the best research on this topic, and which tell us something useful about the causes and constraints of growth in developing countries.

My hope is not to pitch any specific interventions, but rather to give you the lay of the land, on which you can build the case for specific interventions. The way I hope for you to read this series is with an entrepreneurial eye. "This summary suggests that X is a key bottleneck to growth; I suspect Y could help solve X at scale. I should look more into Y as a potential intervention." or "This summary says that X process helps with growth; let me brainstorm ways we could accelerate X."

As part of that, an important caveat is that I will not cover topics where I believe there's no prospect for an effective intervention. For example, a large body of work emphasizes the importance of good institutions for development; I don't believe that topic will yield any promising interventions, so I won't cover it.

Sectoral Transformation

In this post, I will start with the fundamental path of growth: sectoral transformation. Every country that has ever gotten rich has had the following transformation: first, most of the population works in agriculture. Then, people start to move from agriculture to manufacturing, coinciding with a large increase in the country's growth rate. Finally, people move out of manufacturing and into services, coinciding with the country's growth slowing down as it matures into a rich economy. This is the process of sectoral transformation, and it is basically a universal truth of development. So it's no surprise that a big focus of macro-development is how to catalyze sectoral transformation in developing countries. That research has yielded four takeaways:

1. Agricultural productivity growth can drive sectoral transformation... or hurt it.

Every economy starts out as agrarian, because everyone needs food to survive. Agricultural productivity growth allows economies to produce enough food with fewer people, so that most people can move out of agriculture. This is why the US can produce more food per person than India, even though 2% of the US workforce in agriculture compared to 45% of India's workforce. So it seems natural that productivity growth in agriculture is the necessary push for sectoral transformation. However, agricultural productivity growth also increases the income people can earn in agriculture relative to in other sectors, so it could also incentivize people to stay in agriculture. That is the opposite of what we want! Which of these two stories is true?

The evidence on this question is very mixed, with studies finding support for opposite conclusions, sometimes even in the same setting. For example, Gollin, Hansen and Wingender (2021) find that the Green Revolution reduced land use for agriculture and dramatically increased incomes, while Moscona (2019) finds no income gains from the Green Revolution and in fact a decrease in urbanization.[2] In general, however, agricultural productivity growth will probably promote sectoral transformation under two conditions:

  1. Productivity growth reduces labor demand. When an agricultural technology reduces the labor required to plant an acre - because it replaces that labor with machines, or because new seeds require less maintenance, or because farms become larger and there are economies of scale - it will generally reduce the demand for labor. That in turn pushes people out of agriculture. (Bustos, Caprettini and Ponticelli 2016) Mechanized planting and harvesting technologies, weed-resistant plants that don't require a lot of labor to weed plants in the fields, irrigation systems that reduce the time farmers need to spend on water management - all of these will help release workers from agriculture and into the sectors that can make a country rich.
  2. The country is relatively closed to trade. When farmers sell only within their country, there's only so much demand for food; agricultural productivity growth allows that demand to be satisfied with less labor, and thus promotes sectoral transformation. In contrast, when farmers can sell to the world, the demand for food is large enough that no country can fully satisfy it, so agricultural productivity growth makes the country specialize in agriculture. Indeed, the Green Revolution reduced sectoral transformation more in countries that were more open to trade. (Moscona 2019) This story can also explain why generations of development scholars who studied industrialization in the US and Europe were convinced of the need for agricultural productivity growth. Historically, the world was much less globalized, so agricultural exporting was less of a phenomenon and thus agricultural productivity growth did actually cause sectoral transformation. Unfortunately, that may not be true anymore.

These are both sufficient conditions; agricultural productivity growth will boost sectoral transformation if either of these conditions are met. In general, 1) is a more robust condition, but 2) could still hold especially in sub-Saharan African countries where trade is quite costly.

It's worth contrasting the agricultural productivity growth story with a mirror-image story; maybe instead of agricultural productivity growth pushing workers into the industrial sector, we could have industrial productivity growth pulling workers into that sector by increasing industrial wages. The research isn't very satisfactory on whether the "pull" story constitutes a viable path of development today.[3] Industrial productivity growth is obviously worthwhile, and I'll cover it more in this series, but whether it specifically pulls workers out of agriculture in practice is a question without great answers.

But why is agricultural productivity in poor countries so low to begin with? What are the most promising sources of agricultural productivity growth? The main culprit is mechanization/input intensification. Rich country farms use 300-800x more intermediates and machines than poor country farms, and this gap accounts for 2/3 of the productivity gap between poor-country agriculture and rich-country agriculture. (Boppart et al, 2023) So why does this gap exist?

  1. Agricultural machines and intermediate inputs have systematically higher prices in poor countries than in rich countries. (Boppart et al, 2023) This can be interpreted as a consequence of low manufacturing productivity, since that makes it expensive to produce agricultural inputs and thus discourages their usage. Reducing the prices of these productive inputs and machines would be the single biggest contributor to increasing mechanization/input intensification in poor country agriculture, and thus a critical part of sectoral transformation.
  2. Farms in developing countries are extremely small, and some intermediates or machines could have scale economies that make them unprofitable at a small scale. There is also evidence that farm sizes in developing countries are systematically distorted by government policies (Adamopoulos and Restuccia 2014), but that ventures into politically-sensitive territory where I don't see prospects for effective interventions.

2. Education leads people to move out of agriculture (but with some negative spillovers).

A lot of "working in agriculture" starts in someone's first job; they start working in the fields and they just never leave. I have used the term "moving out of agriculture" loosely, as if the process is driven by individuals working in agriculture, one day deciding to switch to a job outside of agriculture, and then switching. But half of all sectoral transformation is driven by new cohorts entering the workforce. (Porzio et al, 2022) In other words, sectoral transformation happens when one year, 70% of school-leavers work in agriculture, but 10 years later, only 30% of school-leavers work in agriculture. The fact that half of this enormous trend is driven by new cohorts points to a critical role for education in driving sectoral transformation. Indeed, it's strongly established that education pushes people out of agriculture. In Indonesia, school construction reduced people's propensity to work in agriculture (Karachiwalla and Palloni 2019); in China, the expansion of higher education across regions did the same (Coelli 2023); globally, education expansions tend to reduce agricultural employment, to the extent that 20% of all sectoral transformation globally can be attributed to education. (Porzio et al, 2022)

One caveat that matters for these results is that these studies also find negative spillovers: when people get educated and leave agriculture, it makes the uneducated people in that area and neighboring areas even more likely to stay in agriculture, probably through reducing the supply of agricultural workers and thus raising their wages. This mutes the overall effect of education on sectoral transformation. Nonetheless, the 20% attribution is net of these spillovers, and so education is firmly established as a key driver of sectoral transformation.

3. Barriers to reallocation are surprisingly small; people select into sectors based on their skills.

A long-standing puzzle is why sectoral transformation doesn't happen faster. In developing countries, agricultural productivity (and thus wages) are significantly lower than non-agricultural productivity (and thus wages) (Gollin, Lagakos and Waugh 2014), so shouldn't people find it profitable to just switch sectors and increase their income? To rationalize why people don't move out of agriculture faster, researchers historically imagined large barriers to reallocation---e.g. migration costs, or difficulty of finding jobs in the non-agricultural sector, or family constraints. Many development interventions today are based on the idea of tearing down these barriers to people leaving agriculture.

These interventions have a shaky foundation, because it turns out that there is not much of a puzzle: the answer is probably due to selection. People who work in agriculture are significantly less skilled and educated than people who work outside agriculture, which explains why they earn less even with no barriers to reallocation. (Herrendorf and Schoellman 2018) When people actually leave agriculture, and we observe their wages before and after they switch sectors, their wage gains from switching are 8-40% of the average wage differences. (Hamory et al, 2020) There's still some doubt you can cast over this interpretation, but I consider it settled.[4]

This is a negative result, in that it cuts against most interventions you could imagine that simply push people across sectors without any underlying changes to their skills. Such interventions are unlikely to benefit the movers, but they're also unlikely to promote growth if those movers are not very productive in the manufacturing sector (which is suggested by the fact that they don't see wage gains). Instead, this result points us towards interventions that actually improve the human capital of agricultural workers, like education or job training.

4. Most sectoral transformation today comes from people moving into services, not manufacturing.

The transition I described before - where people leave agriculture for the high-growth manufacturing sector, which helps countries grow really fast, until eventually they mature into rich countries and work in services instead - used to describe the path of development. For better or worse, that is not what happens today. Instead, a large number of movement out of agriculture is movement into services. Countries today are seeing a lower peak of manufacturing employment relative to the past, and a large movement of workers from the high-growth manufacturing sector to the low-growth services sector. (Rodrik 2016; McMillan and Rodrik 2014) This is the famous "premature deindustrialization" thesis, which warns us that developing countries today are not industrializing in the way that rich countries of today did in the past. There are many proposed explanations - competition from China, automation, reduced global demand for manufacturing goods, etc - but what matters are the consequences of this trend.

This distinction between manufacturing-led growth and service-led growth matters. Manufacturing has historically had a number of advantages over services as a path of development. First and most importantly, it's tradable, so a country can serve the whole global economy and make a lot more prosperity, relative to making services that can only be consumed domestically. Second, manufacturing is intensive in unskilled labor, so it can uplift a huge number of uneducated workers, relative to services which employs mainly educated workers. Third, manufacturing has high returns to scale, enabling large-scale production, whereas services generally are more limited in this dimension. Thus, services have historically not been a good path of development.[5]

Nevertheless, global trends are hard to fight. They happen often for reasons outside any country's control. Any serious interventions that move people out of agriculture are likely to move them into services, whether we want that or not. So it's better to know that and design interventions with that in mind.

Can transformation directly into services be beneficial? In India, growth in services definitely did improve living standards, but the benefits accrued mainly to high-income urban residents. (Fan, Peters and Zilibotti 2021) In other countries, the evidence for service-led growth is grimmer; in China, when the expansion of universities spurred movement from agriculture to services, this reallocation actually slowed income growth relative to if there had been no reallocation. (Coelli 2023) These findings suggest that maybe developing countries should actively resist this trend and aim to grow world-class manufacturing sectors anyway. This is the shadow of industrial policy that looms over every discussion of growth, which I will cover in a following post.

The optimistic perspective is that the characteristics that made manufacturing special - tradability, scale, and employing unskilled workers - are not so special today as they used to be. Trade in services is growing, making it conceivable that countries could export services at scale (e.g. India's IT sector) and gain all the benefits of exporting; technology could make services easier to deliver with lower skill. So it would be exceptionally valuable to have a) technology/policy that increases trade in services, b) technology that increase the scale of production of services, and c) technology that reduces the skill barrier for services work. Whether these are feasible goals will be one of the defining questions of growth in the 21st century.

  1. But also see Tom Davidson's excellent report on the social returns to productivity growth, which finds that "promoting growth" is approximately half as effective as cash transfers. I think the growth intervention considered in that report (funding R&D that generally increases global growth) isn't even close to the most effective we can imagine for increasing growth in developing countries. But I want to flag this report as a good example of how to do cost-effectiveness analysis with macroeconomic outcomes like growth, and almost any cost-effectiveness analysis of a growth intervention will have to use a general equilibrium model in the way that this report does. ↩︎

  2. These studies find different conclusions when studying the same event (the Green Revolution) because they use different designs to establish causality. Both of them have serious issues. Gollin, Hansen and Wingender use the timing of high-yielding varieties being released as a natural experiment. However, the timing of HYVs being released lines up unfortunately with the start of East Asia's growth kickoff, making it likely that their results are just capturing the East Asian growth miracle. Moscona uses the maximum agronomically-predicted potential yields for different crops in the arable land of a country to identify which countries were most affected by the Green Revolution, and uses this agronomic potential as a natural experiment. However, the instrument is not very strong, making the conclusions noisy and unreliable. ↩︎

  3. Alvarez-Cuadrado and Poschke (2011) argue that in modern economies, the "push" story is more important, but there are issues with this interpretation. They measure the relative importance of "push" (agricultural productivity) vs "pull" (industrial productivity) using the path of relative prices in agriculture and manufacturing. (If manufacturing prices fall faster than agricultural prices, that suggests manufacturing productivity is rising faster than agricultural productivity, and thus the pull factor is more important. Vice versa as well.) They show that in currently industrialized economies, before 1920, the price of manufacturing goods fell faster than the price of agricultural goods, but the opposite happened after 1960. This can be interpreted as industrial productivity growth being more important before 1920, but agricultural productivity growth being more important after 1960. The only issue is that the late industrializers in their sample - Finland, Korea and Japan - don't actually follow this pattern, with mostly flat relative prices, pointing to an equal role for push and pull factors. ↩︎

  4. Lagakos (2020) argues that evidence based on "switchers" is misleading because switchers are unrepresentative; e.g. they might be in peri-urban areas with both agricultural and non-agricultural work that they can freely take up on different days, which doesn't really tell us anything about the effect of e.g. permanent rural to urban migration. This disagreement ultimately comes down to whether you believe the switchers have the highest benefit from switching (in which case their meager gains are an upper bound on how much the gains from switching could be) or if they have the lowest cost from switching (in which case their benefits could actually be much lower than average). It's not a settled question but I find the former view much more empirically plausible given e.g. that schooling is one of the biggest causes of switching, and schooling should increase the benefits without really changing the costs of switching. ↩︎

  5. It's important to acknowledge that a lot of the obsession with manufacturing over services is inherited from the rich-country perspective, where people have long cherished manufacturing as the source of prosperity. As rich countries have transitioned into the service economy and their growth has slowed down, this has led people to view the service sector as a pox on the economy that slows down growth. This is the "Baumol cost disease" argument. But despite the name, Baumol's cost disease is not an inefficiency. If getting rich makes people demand more services, then it's optimal to have more people producing those services, even if that slows down GDP growth. Besides, "slow growth in services" may not even really be accurate. (Young 2014) Nevertheless, when it comes to developing countries of today, these arguments don't really apply, and it still seems better for countries to industrialize rather than going directly into services. But that view has been challenged. ↩︎

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Great post, thanks for taking the time to put this together. 

One thing I would add on to your argument in Section 4 is the work of Gollin, Jedwab, and Vollrath (blog, paper) on "urbanization without industrialization." What they document is that there are essentially two types of urbanization -- resource-led and industrialization-led. In the former, you see a higher share of the population going into low value-added services, what they call "consumption cities". This is especially true in much of Sub-Saharan Africa, with the result being rapidly growing cities without the historically observed rise in living standards or productivity. There's also a related story here with work by Gelb, Meyer, Ramachandran, and Wadhwa on African labor costs and manufacturing, which argues that there's been limited manufacturing in the continent, outside of Ethiopia, in part because labor costs are already too high to compete with SE Asia and elsewhere. 

You mention India and China -- I think comparing the two provides about as close as you can get to a natural experiment comparing manufacturing-led growth and services-led growth. Starting from a similar baseline in 1990 (which itself is instructive in just how bad the License Raj was given the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, but that's a separate point), the divergence in GDP per capita is stunning. Bangladesh overtaking India and Pakistan over the past decade is also I think an instructive case in the value of an effective manufacturing-led growth strategy. 

This low growth urbanisation is heartbreaking to see first hand. Here in gulu city, Northern Uganda crime is skyrocketing as young men flood into the city without job or educational opportunities

Don't have much productive to offer, but this is a fantastic article Karthik she a great comment Jeffery!

That's sobering, I'm glad to hear the human side of it.

Interesting stuff, thanks for adding. I never know what to do with natural resources in the economic development story, so I usually just leave them out, but of course they can have negative effects like this. And yes, labor costs are important.

Yeah, I think trying to account for the dynamic effects of a significant natural resource endowment is not always easy, and neither is successfully making the transition from exporting unprocessed resources to doing more processing and other activities further up the value chain domestically. 

That being said, I do think the China-West decoupling is an opportunity for some countries to start making that transition, especially places rich in critical minerals. And the same can be said with regard to the nearshoring/friendlyshoring trend in manufacturing. 

Another note on the struggle to industrialise in Africa is this paper (2023) - suggesting that manufacturing firms fail to scale due to lack of labour specialisation which appears to be driven by demand for more personalised goods. In other words, the goods demanded hinder economies of scale and talent leveraging. I haven't read the whole paper and I'm not sure why Africa (Uganda was the country studied) in particular is different, but it seems interesting.  

This is a whole topic in the next post! I think the authors' interpretation is probably wrong. There's no clear reason why demand for more personalized goods would be different in Uganda, you're right - my suspicion is that the root cause is the small size of the output market. The authors document that each firm sells to a very small output market, and one possible consequence of that is that firms don't see any benefit to task specialization, because the benefits of specialization increase with the scale of goods you are selling. If you can only sell to a small number of people, then selling them personalized goods could be a way to get the maximum revenue out of this small market. Thus, firms would choose not to specialize even if there were no barriers to specialization.

The main evidence they provide for why personalized demand is the cause is that specialization is larger in grain milling, where grain is a homogeneous product. But grain is also more easily traded, so the output market is larger, which means their evidence is totally consistent with small output markets as the cause of low specialization and firm growth.

Small output markets are a problem everywhere but especially in Africa because transportation costs are higher than in other developing countries (this is something I've heard dev economists say casually a lot, but I've never seen an explicit citation).

I’m curating this post. Karthik Tadepalli makes the point that EAs have often accepted the argument, given here, that the most cost effective global health interventions are likely to be aimed at increasing growth in LMICs rather than directly targeted at health outcomes. However, there hasn’t yet been a focus on producing growth interventions within EA global health work that is proportional to this interest. In a careful, well evidenced manner, this post outlines some factors which affect economic growth in LMICs, and which may be amenable to interventions.

You can read more about the discussion of boosting economic growth as a potentially tractable cause in Global Health and Wellbeing on this topics tag, and in this recent 80k podcast episode with GiveWell’s co-founder Elie Hassenfeld. 

I hope, with Karthik, that this post and the series to follow is read with “an entrepreneurial eye”, and reignites debate in this pressing question. 

Executive summary: Sectoral transformation, the process of workers moving from agriculture to manufacturing and services, is critical for economic growth in developing countries. Research reveals key drivers like agricultural productivity, education, and barriers to mobility.

Key points:

  1. Agricultural productivity growth can promote sectoral transformation by reducing labor demand and if the country has limited trade. But it can also incentivize staying in agriculture.
  2. Education expansions lead people to leave agriculture for other sectors, accounting for 20% of historical transformation. But there are negative spillovers on those left behind.
  3. Barriers to mobility across sectors are smaller than believed. Wage gains suggest workers select sectors based on skills.
  4. Now most transformation is into services, not manufacturing. This may reduce growth prospects unless trade, scale, and skills in services can improve.
  5. Overall, drivers that improve agricultural productivity, education, and skills are critical for continued transformation. But global trends pose challenges for traditional manufacturing-led growth.


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The way I hope for you to read this series is with an entrepreneurial eye 


I appreciate this specific call to action, so I'll kick us off.  How will AI advances affect sectoral transformations moving people into the service sector?  It will depend on where AI is a complement vs replacement for labor.  In the complement case, high-quality instantaneous translations could dramatically expand the export market for services by eliminating English fluency as a barrier.  In the replacement case, AI agents trained to write code could replace many routine contract software jobs.

Is there literature on skill gaps in LMI countries that is more granular than proxy metrics like years of schooling?  That could be a good place to start to look for where AI complements could open up opportunities. 

My guess is that AI adoption in developing countries will substantially lag adoption in rich countries. Firstly because this is true of most technologies, and secondly because AI adoption will be faster in places where labor costs are higher - ie rich countries with higher wages. This is why when US companies gained FDI access to China, they became less likely to use automation technologies. (Source) Even when it is adopted, within-country adoption lags will probably be substantial, and services are nontradable, so even if AI services are widely used in one city, they can't exactly be exported from there. So my guess is that AI will not have a first order impact on the service sector in developing countries.

Hi Karthik,

Do you know about estimates of the benefit-to-cost ratio of sectoral transformation interventions? For reference, cash transfers to poor households in Kenya had one of 2.4. I did a quick search, and found Copenhagen Consensus Center's 12 best investment papers for the sustainable development goals. One of them is about agricultural research and development, and found a benefit-to-cost ratio of 33.

I don't know of any such estimates, mainly because academic papers don't tend to focus on any tangible intervention and when they do there's no cost measurement. I'm pretty bullish on agricultural R&D though, so nice to see that IFPRI paper.

Hi Karthik,

Thanks for writing this! Very useful summary to the economics literature on development for someone unfamiliar with it. 

I note in your caveat that "a large body of work emphasizes the importance of good institutions for development; I don't believe that topic will yield any promising interventions". You seem to have given alot of thought on this so I'm wondering if there are any clear signs you see which suggest that such institutional development work are indeed not promising. 

There seem to be a number of organisations working on this front (e.g. Artha Global as suggested in this post, anti-corruption institutions etc.), though the outcomes may be hard to quantify. The EA community also often faces criticisms that it neglects interventions which aim at systemic change. Without having looked at the evidence, such interventions seem possibly promising to me. 

An intervention that's on my mind is leveraging the sheer intelligence of some EAs to build a factory design company that is focused on building tools and processes for manufacturing. Might it be possible, for example, to build machines that can be used to help construct a wide variety of products? Could we invent the industrial equivalent of FoldScope (the paper microscope that makes medical diagnosis affordable) for small-scale manufacturing, build the machines at scale in an LMIC, and sell them around the world at cost? Or, could there be something like this for mining on small ore deposits that the big players don't touch?

I appreciate that you give evidence for how economic growth seems to be a requirement for increases in well being and I think I agree. If I might make one request if you are intending to write more posts on this topic: Could you please include a colonial  and even more of a "temporal" angle to growth and well-being? You do go into some detail around skipping the manufacturing "step" and going directly to services. However, my lay understanding of the topic is that it somehow seemed much easier for the "colonizing" nations to move beyond agriculture and achieve both growth and increases in well-being than it today does for LMICs. Currently, it seems like an uphill struggle for previous colonies to do the same. Is there some sort of temporal thing going on here where the "colonizing" nations had some sort of first-mover advantage? Perhaps I missed something by only reading quickly through your article - perhaps most of you analysis only focuses on what we know about growth in previous colonies, after colonization ended, for example. 

One reason for commenting is that I recently read a book both on the famines in India under British rule as well as another book on China under Mao. In both instances, it seems economic structural reform was pushed forcefully and urgently from the top which as we know lead to two of the greatest disasters in history. Thus, I would, without deep knowledge of the topic, be very careful advocating strongly for general economic reforms across many countries as we could end up having a net negative outcome, just based on historical priors. I would, as a lay economist and historian, feel more confident about a portfolio of interventions that have been crafted to fit with the local context and strategic environment a country currently finds itself in.

I'm not super interested in stories of growth that put a large emphasis on history, not because I think they're wrong, but because they don't offer a lot of practical advice for today. There are a thousand and one papers showing that colonial legacies affect development today, but I don't see how they help think about increasing growth today. Certainly, I wouldn't completely generalize from the growth experience of the West, and almost all of the research I cover is about current LMICs or about late industrializers in East Asia.

I agree that advocating strongly for general economic reforms - call it the Lant Pritchett view - is not a useful path. The Pritchett view seems like the only one that EAs know about, which is a big part of my motivation for writing this. Rather than big claims about "growth" as a singular phenomenon, I want to break it down into more granular factors.

Edit: in response to your direct question about whether there's a first mover advantage, the story is mixed. There's a lot of evidence that colonial legacies hold countries back today, especially in Africa. On the other hand there's strong reasons to believe that new technologies are the drivers of growth, and poor countries today have the advantage that they don't need to reinvent all modern technology - they have all the advantages of frontier knowledge. The net effect of this is so vague as to be unanswerable.

As a concrete example, think about London's campaign to end cholera in the 19th century. Compared to countries with cholera problems today, those people didn't even know what caused disease. There were all kinds of crazy views about the causes of disease that made eradicating cholera a difficult task. On the other hand, Britain had a pretty effective state that could enforce public health regulations, and a good scientific establishment that could study the problem. Poor countries today have 1000x more knowledge than rich countries did a century ago, but have all kinds of problems with turning that knowledge into prosperity.

Thanks for your super thoughtful response Karthik. It seems you are aware (perhaps not unsurprisingly!) of the issues I raised and I appreciate your clarification on the "Lant Pritchett view". I also like your optimism in not focusing on historical wrongs, but rather trying to see what advantages LMICs can leverage. I look forward to your future posts and to learning more about a perhaps more nuanced and effective take on growth as a cause area.

Great post, Karthik! You may want to create an EA Forum sequence with the posts of the series.

Do you have any thoughts on preventing the increase in the consumption of farmed animals as a way of boosting sectoral transformation? Greater consumption of animals would create demand for greater agricultural production, so it naively seems like it may hinder sectoral transformation.

How does making a sequence work?

I don't know how you would operationalize "prevent the increase in consumption of farmed animals", so it's hard to say. Also, meat substitutes are also produced by agriculture.

How does making a sequence work?

 I have never created one, but one can create one in the same menu used to create new posts:

Then I think you can just add a description and past posts to the sequence (see The Moral Weight Project Sequence for an example).

I don't know how you would operationalize "prevent the increase in consumption of farmed animals", so it's hard to say. Also, meat substitutes are also produced by agriculture.

For example, by not subsidising the factory-farming industry, making producers internalise the harm inflicted to animals, and supporting the work of organisations like Animal Advocacy Africa

I think those things are good, but "hindering structural transformation" is very far down the list of bad things about animal agriculture.

Agreed! Do you have an idea about the economic cost of factory-farming as a fraction of gross world product? The EAT-Lancet diet has 12.2 % (= (153 + 30 + 62 + 19 + 40)/2500; see Table 1) of calories coming from animals, and, according to the results of 3 approaches, would decrease adult deaths by 21.7 % (= (0.19 + 0.224 + 0.236)/3; see Table 2). If this is so, even if "hindering structural transformation" is very far down the list of bad things about animal agriculture, it could still be up the list of good things to boost economic growth? 

I doubt it would be, for suspicious convergence reasons, but I'm not informed enough to know.

Thanks for this interesting series! I've also been subscribed to The Global Prosperity Institute's newsletter, which releases interesting analyses of different approaches/policies to increase growth. At least one of the founders is a long-time EA, and the analyses are interesting to read!

However, agricultural productivity growth also increases the income people can earn in agriculture relative to in other sectors, so it could also incentivize people to stay in agriculture. That is the opposite of what we want!

Higher incomes is the goal so why is it a problem if that comes from staying in agriculture?  Is the idea that this tops out at a lower level than manufacturing or service-focused economies?  Aren't there some developed countries, like New Zealand, where agriculture makes up more than half of their exports?

Is the idea that this tops out at a lower level than manufacturing or service-focused economies?

Yes, this is the idea - evidence mainly being that

a) no country has ever gotten rich while staying agrarian. New Zealand may export a lot of agriculture but only 6% of their population works in it. b) across countries, agricultural wages are consistently lower than non agricultural wages.

Although I agree with all your substantive points here Karthik, I don't think the agriculture sector as a whole is "poorer" than the rest of the country. Sure wage workers aren't paid that much, but Kiwi farners are often mega rich sure to their insane and ever growing land/infrastructure/livestock asset base. Most new Zealand farmers would have net worth well into the millions, wages only tell part of the story.

I should have specified that I meant across developing countries. It's possible that wages and output figures underestimate prosperity in the sector due to assets, but the vast majority of farms in developing countries are very small, so I doubt that changes the takeaway.

Oh yeah I thought you were including places like new Zealand too based on the previous comment.

Love this and excited to see more of it. (3) is the biggest surprise for me and I think I’m more positive on education now.

Interested to hear your thoughts on growth diagnostics if you ever get around to it

I don't know enough about growth diagnostics to give any authoritative take. it seems like a pretty useful way to structure thinking/field observations, but with sweeping/high-level conclusions that don't feel quite so useful.

Thanks for sharing this, I found it very interesting.

I was curious about the sectoral transformation. Presumably we will always need some people working in agriculture. A lot of this specialisation has occurred between rural and urban areas, but might it not also make sense for some entire countries to focus on agriculture? They could focus their education systems, regulations and so on the industry, which might improve efficiency, rather than having smaller numbers of people in more countries doing agriculture. If this is the case then we could see some countries getting rich entirely off agriculture - just like there are wealthy farmers in the US, Australia, etc. If so pushing for sectoral transformation could be a mistake if some countries really have a comparative advantage in agriculture.

This also connects to your points about agricultural productivity. My impression was that many third world countries have chronic under-utilisation of labour; you literally just have a lot of working age men hanging around doing nothing all day. This is labour slack is implicit in the model for why GiveDirectly might boost economic activity that they described on the 80k podcast. If so, productivity growth that incentivized people to stay in agriculture could be good, especially if it replaced unemployment, even though it would retard the sectoral transformation.

Finally, I was interested in the negative effects of the services transition. Could this be because poor regulatory setup means many of the 'service' jobs are essentially rent-seeking rather than providing socially valuable services? e.g. an increase in lawyers or bureaucrats primarily creating more work for other people. 

I guess the fact that no country in history has gotten rich while being agrarian gives me a very strong prior against it. And there are clear reasons why; agricultural goods are commodities that are extremely cheap, so even having an advantage in them, you can only have a slim advantage. Plus different countries will always have different comparative advantages in different crops. Compare that to manufacturing where you can make increasingly specialized and high-quality goods that generate much more profits.

My impression is that underutilization of labor is even more severe of a problem in agriculture than in non-agriculture. This is why in most developing countries, output per worker is higher in manufacturing than in agriculture. You would likely not observe that if surplus labor was unique to manufacturing, and indeed the surplus labor hypothesis was first proposed to explain why agriculture is so unproductive. (Edit: I think I misunderstood this point from you. Yes, productivity growth that increases the demand for labor could put some of that surplus labor to good use, and that can be good. However, if the surplus workers would have counterfactually moved into non-agriculture where they would have been more productive, then it's still a negative outcome.)

No, that's not why services have a negative effect. Theres no assumption that services are not valuable, just that productivity growth (as measured by revenue per worker growth) is much slower. This is mostly because services are nontradable, so you can't have specialization/competition between producers in different regions. But I have a footnote pointing out why we should be careful in claiming that shifting to services has a negative effect. After all, every rich country today is primarily a service economy, and most of what we consume is services.

Thanks for the response!

I guess the fact that no country in history has gotten rich while being agrarian gives me a very strong prior against it. And there are clear reasons why; agricultural goods are commodities that are extremely cheap, so even having an advantage in them, you can only have a slim advantage. 

My impression is that Argentina became a very rich country, by the standards of today, largely as an agricultural exporter? And just because a product is cheap doesn't mean you can't have a big advantage in them if it is a very scaled business; according to OWID, US agricultural productivity is over 100x higher than in Liberia in dollar term; I don't have the bushels/farmer figures to hand but I suspect there are also orders of magnitude difference.

Theres no assumption that services are not valuable, just that productivity growth (as measured by revenue per worker growth) is much slower.

I'm not assuming it, I'm offering it as an explanation. The 'nontradable' explanation doesn't really make sense to me, because it doesn't explain why people would choose to work in a less productive sector (agriculture or services), where wages are presumably lower, instead of manufacturing. Unless you think that manufacturing has to be combined with labour suppression, where wages will be held lower than productivity, in order to facilitate more investment? I do get the impression that is part of the story behind east asian growth, and it does make sense it would be easier in manufacturing than services. 

Great discussion

You could argue that Argentina, and even my home country of new Zealand have kind of "made it" through agriculture.

My issue is, even assuming you are right Larks and African countries somehow manage become far more productive at farming and become more competitive on the global stage, thats unlikely to solve the jobs problem. Increased productivity means industrialized farming, means less farming jobs not more. Especially in countries like Uganda with high population and low land area, it's hard to see how this could solve the jobs problem, although obviously it would probably be net positive and help the economy.

New Zealand and Argentina also have huge land area to population ratios, which enables large scale farming to have a bigger impact.

As a side note the absolute nail in the coffin for any opportunity for African countries to become serious food exporters are the insane farming subsidies and tariffs both in the EU and the US, which wipe out one of the only sectors African countries have a chance to be competitive in. Noone talks about it much, but it's not impossible these subsidies and tariffs might cause more net suffering than all the aid these countries reduce IDK.

I wasn't aware of Argentina as an example and spent some time looking into it. My takeaway is that it's interesting and I don't have a great story about it, other than that at the time, agriculture was most of all trade, and most of all consumption globally, whereas today with a much richer and industrialized world, demand for food is not large enough to make it competitive with manufacturing as a path. But that's tentative.

just because a product is cheap doesn't mean you can't have a big advantage in them if it is a very scaled business; according to OWID, US agricultural productivity is over 100x higher than in Liberia in dollar terms

This is largely because the US uses so much more capital and so much less labor than developing countries, so I don't interpret this in support of the idea that developing countries can get rich without most labor leaving agriculture.

it doesn't explain why people would choose to work in a less productive sector (agriculture or services), where wages are presumably lower, instead of manufacturing.

That's the puzzle I was talking about in point #3. The likely explanation is that people select into the less productive sector because they don't have the skills to work in manufacturing, for reasons elaborated more in that section.

One way to think about services vs manufacturing: suppose you're very poor and you suddenly earn more money. How do you spend this limited new resource? Certainly you spend some of it on stuff: furniture, a better phone, electricity. If a country lacks manufacturing or exports, the money you spend on stuff leaves the country with no balancing inflow. And when you buy services, the person from whom you bought the services also buys stuff. So if people get richer at scale, the country as a whole tends to bleed that money back out. You can export services somewhat (customer service, or software development if your country has enough education) but you'll be competing with the likes of India and GPT4/AIs.

If you can manufacture stuff locally, more money stays in-country, and if the manufacturing sector grows large enough, it can become efficient, which allows exports. And my intuition says that limited, targeted protectionism (tariffs) would be beneficial, or even required, to nurture whatever local industries are developing.

with no balancing inflow. 

There must always be a balancing flow. Your country has to be doing something to get the foreign currency required for that import. This could be exporting more of something else, or it could be attracting more foreign investment (or more aid), but there must be a balance. Your mercantilist intuition is a common one but it is mistaken.

Ugh, yes of course if you got richer you got the money from somewhere. If you thought I thought otherwise, you were mistaken. (Of course it could've just been printed by the government, but that will cause inflation if not balanced by some kind of in-country value creation or spending reduction.) (Edit: also, Google tells me "Mercantilism was based on the principle that the world's wealth was static" and I do not have any such "mercantilist intuition".)

Thanks for writing this up, excited for the next!

One major bottleneck to adoption of software & service industries is that the infrastructure doesn't exist - more than 50% of people don't have access to the bandwidth that makes our lives on the internet possible. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/fixing-the-global-digital-divide-and-digital-access-gap/ (That's also not solved by Starlink because it's too expensive.)

For export of services to benefit the workers, you'd need local governance infrastructure that effectively maintains public goods, which also currently doesn't exist for most people.

As you hint at, access to the digital economy helps more developed areas at best, the worst off don't benefit. The poverty trap many are in is unfortunately harder to crack, and requires substantial upfront investment, not trickle down approaches. But most countries cannot get loans for such efforts and companies have little incentive to advance/maintain such large public goods.

I haven't thought about this enough and would appreciate reading reactions to the following: For lasting poverty alleviation, I'd guess it's better to focus on scalable education, governance and infrastructure initiatives, powered by locals to enable integration into the culture. Does it seem correct that the development of self-determination creates positive feedback loops that also aid cooperation?

Also, this can all be aided by AI, but focusing on AI, as some suggest in the comments, seems unlikely to succeed at solving economic & governance development in the poorest areas. Would you agree that AI deployment can't obviously reduce the drivers of coordination failures at higher levels of governance, as those are questions of inter-human trust?

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