And Other Recommendations for EAGs Based on The Art of The Gathering
The Motivation: I read The Art of the Gathering awhile ago, and thought it had a lot of interesting insights for greater community building efforts. I realized that EAGs[1] might be a ripe place to try to apply some of these insights, and so I set out writing this piece. What was meant to be 10 similar-in-length suggestions naturally turned into a piece focused on the purpose of EAGs, but I hope you’ll still read over the other points too in the original spirit of the post, I think they have something to offer too.
Epistemic Status: All the principles themselves have strong grounding in the book and are things I feel quite confident Parker would endorse. I’ll make concrete suggestions below for each, and also venture a long commentary on the potential purpose of EAGs, which are both attempts at applications of these principles and are more speculative and should be taken as “Tristan’s best guess”.
A brief note: CEA and individual EAGx organizers are already doing many of these things to some degree, and as such I hope to not only introduce new ideas or frames, but also highlight and reinforce some of the great things they’re already doing.
I think this is the most important point, so I’ll spend a great bit of time on it. To put it another way, every gathering needs a greater why that justifies the what. I don’t think this is spelled out well for EAGs and has been the cause of some confusion, and I think it would be good to decide on, and then state, a clear why for EAGs. Below I’ll mention four different whys I think are at play, and what prioritizing them (more) would mean.
Talks are consistently an important part of EAGs, and some have argued that they’ve been underrated[2] in the process of promoting 1-on-1s. Significant staff time is spent organizing the content, giving indication that even if 1-on-1s are considered to be more valuable, there’s got to be something worthwhile about them.
I think the ToC here is that the talks afford a particularly good opportunity for others to further learn about a topic they’re interested in but maybe haven't fully had the chance to explore yet, something likely to be especially valuable for those newer to the EA space.
But the talks do actually afford more than this[3]: they are also a sort of podium by which CEA can try to diffuse ideas throughout the community, whether that be promoting a new potential cause area, a better recognition of needs in the EA space, or desirable cultural norms. Focusing the content in 2017 on operations, for example, allowed the community to address a significant gap at the time. They’re also a way to expand impact outside the conference when recorded, which could be important as CEA begins to focus more on EA branding and outwards content.
Either way, I think many people only have a vague sense of the purpose Learning currently serves, and I think we’re even further behind on figuring out how to measure the effectiveness of Learning specifically vs the general impact.
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A measure of success often referenced for EAGs is something like “new connections per person” where a new connection is meeting “someone you feel comfortable asking for a favor[4]” at the event. On top of this, there’s a pervasive sense that 1-on-1s should be the focal point, one organizer saying 1-on-1s are “consistently reported to be the most valuable experience for attendees”. Connections seem to normally refer to two different types of connections, a more professional type that alludes to a sense of networking, and a more friendly type, the metric of being able to ask them a favor treading the line between the two.
Here, I’m splitting those into two different categories, and taking connection to mean something closer to networking, covering friendship below. Networking itself doesn’t even fully cover it, as only part of the impact likely comes from networking in the traditional sense of increasing one’s points of contact in a given field so they’re better able to complete the job search. For example, another aspect of connection seems to be giving a chance for those already doing direct work to come together and use their conversation as a sharpening stone for increasing their impact. But perhaps the most important aspect for me personally has been more general career guidance others have been able to give, indicating there’s maybe another mentor-mentee angle to connection that is most impactful here.
Each of the above views on what type of connection is most impactful will guide us in different directions when deciding what to focus on in the realm of connection. Imagine a meetup for AIS, for example, where you now wish to split people into groups for discussion. If we are focusing on traditional networking, we’ll likely try to pair people up based on those they haven’t met yet. If we’re focused on giving space for those doing direct work to meet and bounce ideas off one-another, we’ll likely pair people up by specific workstreams. If we instead want to focus on fostering the mentor-mentee relationship, we’d likely match people based on years of experience. There are likely other frames of focus too, so defining them and then figuring out which frames are most needed for connection at a given conference, and how they should be implemented, are likely the next best steps.
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Another sense is connections as friends, where the value comes from diffuse and harder to measure metrics that blur between a distant proxy value for direct impact and just generally improving the community as an intrinsic good that’s valued in-and-of itself. No one has explicitly argued for this as a reason for EAGs as far as I’m aware, likely because doing so would feel like an ill-use of funds, charitable dollars going towards something that enriched us, rather than the greater world.
I don’t have the space here to properly motivate this, but I do think that friendship is a justifiable end for these conferences, at least worthy of greater focus than it currently gets. In short, my main grounding for this is thinking that the fact the EA community exists is a strong force for good in the world, and that we likely will become only a hollow sense of community, one that isn’t even deserving of the name community, if we only focus on fostering professional connections. Communities are made up of friendships, and without those underlying friendships I doubt EA will be a lasting institution.
But if that doesn’t convince you, let me give you a brief pitch that’s a bit more direct. Robin Hanson has argued that the majority of the influence achieved by the 60s counterculture movement came not in the early moments of the movement, but later on when their careers progressed and put them into positions with more influence. What allowed this to happen was building a strong sense of identity around their community, forming friendships with the movement and its values at the core, changing people at a deeper level than is possible with a “community” built around mere professional affiliation.
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For the current team organizing EAGs, this is clearly what they’re optimizing for. As said by Eli Nathan: “EAG exists to make the world a better place, rather than serve the EA community or make EAs happy”. Most of what I’ve read to understand organizer’s views here has expressed a desire for this to be the output, where the impediment is just trouble measuring it, proxies like connections and what participants valued serving as imperfect temporary measurements that will hopefully soon be replaced by more concrete measures of impact as a result[8]. Attempts to create such a metric seem to still be in development, but this thread from Eli Nathan indicates the best way to put it for EAGs might be “impact-adjusted plan changes per $”.
This also holds resonance with conversations I’ve had with more senior members of the community who see showing up as some sort of community service, as part of their impact portfolio done only so long as they see it as an effective way to spend their time.
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Priya talks at length about our perception that the “chill host”, the one who’s laidback and more often to say yes than no, is only gracious on the surface, and actually doing a disservice to the event by shying away from their nay-saying duties. This begins with the invitation, or the admission process, where we have a strong prior to not reject anyone because we don’t want to be rude. But if we’re planning an event with a defined purpose, some people will fall out of that purpose, or will impede others trying to focus on that purpose, and by saying yes and letting those people in, we’ve betrayed that initial purpose and those who we’ve invited expecting it.
Different purposes above will lead to different decisions as to whether or not one should “open EAG”. I think part of the disagreement over the admissions process and who to admit has come from disguised disagreements on the why, and I think a fair bit of clarity on who we should admit will flow from deciding that. But even then, most of Scott’s post focuses on arguing for the Impact Why, so if this is the route we choose, we will likely have much discussion to go through to determine what sort of admissions process leads to the highest degree of impact.
This practice doesn’t stop with the admission process though, Priya thinks organizers should carry this perspective into the event too. Organizers have the opportunity to set rules for the event, to dictate what their attendees can and can’t do, and similarly to the above, when done in service of the why of the event, these rules can be gracious in the end despite seeming draconian on the surface[12]. The important bit here is making sure that the restrictions connect to the why, but I think that the CEA Events team is often putting much thought into the why and how the content connects to that, and I’d trust them to make more rules during the event that enhance achieving the why.
Concrete Suggestions
Despite any changes or thoughts on the above, it’s important that organizers communicate their purpose so people understand why they’re not admitted.
Right now, this is a mess. After spending ~5 hours reading forum posts and CEA material on EAGs, I still don’t have a clear idea of what the admission criteria, their “bar”, is and what they’re aiming for. The FAQ articulates things a bit further, but only to say: “EA Global is mostly aimed at people who have a solid understanding of the core ideas of EA and who are taking significant actions based on those ideas, [many]... professionally working on effective-altruism-inspired projects or figuring out how best to work on such projects”.
But what counts as a project? “Professionally” implies that I should be doing EA work as my day job to count, but then the addendum of “figuring out” broadens this to just about any single person who would be interested in attending an EA conference. What really is the line between “figuring out how to best work on such projects” and “interest in learning more about what to do with [EA] ideas” from the EAGx admissions criteria? Sure, EAG is aimed at people with a “solid understanding”, but that’s vague too, and even that vague sentiment is qualified with a “mostly aimed” before it, indicating that this is just one focus of EAGs, amongst others. AND even the entire sentiment is contradicted elsewhere in the FAQ. In response to the question “What if I’m early in my career or still figuring out what I want to do?” CEA says: “You don’t need to have a long impactful career behind you or a polished plan for impact to be admitted to an EA Global or EAGx conference. Some of the strongest applications are from people who are too early in their careers to have taken many ‘significant actions.’” And there are tidbits of other factors hidden elsewhere, e.g. a record of overconfidence or excessive self-promotion can be motivation for rejection.
I do think that this bar has likely changed significantly over time, and where it currently stands is likely much more in line with what people expect than it once was, given that it seems restrictions used to be greater in response to capacity limits that are not still the case today. I think CEA didn’t do the best job communicating this in the past[13] and probably caused some unnecessary alienation from people surprised to be rejected. But my hope is that, though there are still certainly still difficult situations, there are less over time, and we’re hopefully moving towards a world with a better understanding of what CEA’s bar is[14], hopefully a bar that aligns with what we expect as a community for such events, with its purpose.
For now, I think CEA would say that the line for the event is their assessment of a good fit. But what is a good fit? Someone who can help others achieve their EA related goals. What does that person look like? I’m not sure, and answering that question further in depth and making it clear is, I think, an important next step for CEA’s events team.
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Priya stresses that the introductions and closings of a gathering are incredibly important, and that they are likely two of the most consequential moments of the event. The goal of the opening should be a form of "pleasant shock therapy" where your goal is to simultaneously instill in guests a sense of welcome and a sense of being grateful to be there (178)[15]. A good closure involves first looking inward, contemplating what you learned or experienced there today, and then looking outward, thinking about how you will incorporate that into your outside life (259). I think both of these principles are ripe for application at EAGs, and have found myself generally disappointed with introductions, closings as more of a mixed bag.
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By setting a norm for something, you give people the excuse to do so, and help guide how people are acting that weekend. I’d consider setting out some norms in a document and making them clear in the intro talk.
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I’ve never seen a multi-hour session at an EAG, and I think this is missing out on a fairly large potential. This would be helpful for the “making friends” why, but I think this is also defensible on account of impact as longer programming also increases the depth you’re able to go into. As Parker says, "spending 12 hours together as a group is fundamentally different from spending four hours together on three separate occasions. The longer you're together, the more reality sets in...walls start to come down" (137).
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The time between acceptance to attend an EAG and the first session starting is full of potential to build excitement for the event. The event begins as soon as someone has been accepted (possibly as soon as someone has applied) and more could be done to set positive expectations and excitement for the event to come.
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Spaces that are too large tend to reduce intimacy and conversation between attendees[16]. This is one example of a number of considerations about how space can affect what’s happening in them, and it’s good to keep in mind various ways we can tailor the space to better facilitate connection.
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Being at EAG has literally been compared to being on ecstasy, and I felt an intense joy myself at my first. This feeling of entering into a new world, of coming into this really special environment that you’re so deeply grateful and excited to be a part of, can be encouraged by demarking differences between being “here” and “out there”. Priya mostly talks about temporary rule setting to achieve this.
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If you want your session, or the conference, to be a place where people feel welcome to open up and share personal things, model that. As an organizer, or speaker, you set the bar for what people are going to feel comfortable with, so if you want the conference to be a place where people open up more, share a personal story yourself at the introduction. This doesn’t just fit into the friendship why, but also could fit into impact, as e.g. greater openness about career failures could help others realize that they’re not set aside from successful people around them but are rather undertaking a similar journey and are just at a different stage.
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Finally, thanks to Ollie Base, Amy Labenz, Isobel Phillips, and Gergő Gáspár for comments on a draft of this.
I use “EAG” throughout here, but I’m meaning this in the “inclusive of EAG and EAGx” sense. I do think there are in fact some limited differences between them, e.g. Learning as a why is likely stronger with EAGxs than EAGs because the crowd is relatively newer (but honestly even this is contestable as you can change the type of focus of the learning depending on the crowd), but that they can mostly be referred to with the same term.
This post calls the idea of 1-on-1s as “cleary more valuable” a meme, but in making the argument that talks are underrated ends up arguing for considering “going to >1” talk, highlighting that even those in support of talks place significant value on 1-on-1s
This point wasn’t clear to me from the outside, so thanks to Amy for further clarifying.
The full definition from a recent EAG: “We define a connection as a person you feel comfortable asking for a favor. This could be someone you met at the event for the first time or someone you’ve known for a while but didn’t feel comfortable reaching out to until now. A reasonable estimate is fine."
A lot of group organizers already do something like this, and one way I did this recently (thanks to Joseph Lemien for organizing) was meeting with a number of people searching for work early on in the conference, briefly doing introductions and then talking about our experience and what sort of work we’re looking for, and then trying to keep an eye out for opportunities for one another as we came across them.
For context, all other items were mentioned by less than 18% of participants
This was an hour where scheduling 1-1s on Swapcard were blocked and there was no educational content scheduled.
To put it another way, while learning and connection look at benefits accrued directly by participants, this metric is purely focused on the positive impact on others.
This process seems somewhat opaque, but from what I can tell at a basic level they tried to roughly determine how impactful the work of each applicant was and give more weight to those they deemed to be doing more impactful work. I’m going to go with weighted numbers because the process seems reasonable to me, even though I would ideally like to know more about how it was done.
I’m using 2019 because the best data we have is from 2022 and prior, where 2022’s landscape was quite strange due to FTX, and 2021/2020’s landscape was changed due to COVID.
I’m taking an average EAG cost of $2.8 million and EAGx cost of $325,000
The easiest way to see how problems can arise is to imagine the problem of many individual friend groups showing up to your gathering. As they begin to interact with one another, it could seem that connection is happening and that, despite them deviating from your plan, you’d be wrong to break it up. But Priya asks us to imagine the friendless invitee sitting in the corner of the table, without any such person to connect to. If your purpose is to create connections between all of your attendees, then it very well might make sense to cut their conversations off, and early on.
A post from 2019 mentions: “Now the typical person we regretfully don’t accept is probably pretty knowledgeable about EA and has been involved for at least a few years” which I don’t think was widely known. Other factors that used to lead to rejection: “A lot of people from your local group applied and we took some but not everyone; You’re an undergraduate or fairly new in your EA involvement; You’re in a field with lots of other EAs (e.g. you’re in the early stages of getting into cultured meat or machine learning); You’ve been several times before and we want to give a spot to a first-timer; You’re working in a field where we don’t expect to have people at the conference who can be very helpful to you.
One objection here is that being clear about the bar would allow for people to game the system, but I think applications could be thought of in terms of job applications. A good job description lets me know what the company is looking for without revealing the exact idiosyncrasies of their hiring process that would allow me to game it, and I think EAG applications should function the same, giving people a clearer sense of what CEA is looking for so people can avoid the whole shameful process if it’s clear from the start they wouldn’t have gotten in.
I will be throwing in some page numbers, so you can reference some of these more directly, but will spend most of the time talking more generally.
An interesting example given for this that resonates with me: One of the reasons people end up gravitating to the kitchen at a party is because people instinctively seek out smaller spaces as the group dwindles (69)
Executive summary: EAGs should have a clear purpose, and changes to their structure and execution should align with and support that purpose, whether it be learning, networking, building friendships, or maximizing impact.
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