Thank you Chris for this great presentation. I think that, for the general public as well as for ambitious individuals, the effort involved (easy, affordable access to food; social acceptance of the diet) remains the decisive factorâassuming that a balanced mixed diet and a vegan diet are roughly equally healthy. Â
Regarding the effort factor, Martin Balluch has created a graph that very clearly illustrates the role that effort plays in decision-making about dietary habitsâespecially when it comes to maintaining a particular diet over the long term.
Thanks for sharing this! The Balluch curve is very much aligned with how I think about effort, and I like that he explores in depth how advocacy can reshape the landscape over time, thereby effectively changing our empirical assumptions. I especially like the visual intuition of people "rolling" towards the local minimum. A very elegant way of thinking about the curves. :)
The only point I'd qualify is the assumption that a balanced mixed diet and a vegan diet are roughly equally healthy. I discuss this in a bit more detail in the section on health risk:
More generally, there is greater uncertainty about the health outcomes of dietary patterns that substantially restrict or eliminate food groups that have formed part of the human diet throughout evolution, particularly with regard to long-term health and critical life stages such as pregnancy, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. This reflects both the limited evidence base for comparatively novel and rare dietary patterns and the broader methodological limitations of nutrition science. A greater health risk is therefore assigned to dietary patterns at either extreme of the spectrum.
For that reason, I think health risk may be just as decisive as effort, depending on how people weight the different objectives.
I'm very doubtful that eating vegan is more effortful than eating carnivore
I'm very doubtful that eating vegan presents the same level of health risk as eating predominantly animal-based, assuming that predominantly animal-based involves meat in every meal and daily consumption of red and/or processed meat
And does "external harm" take into account wild animal welfare beyond climate change, e.g. the impact of rewilding on soil animals given the reduced need for land to support plant-based diets?
First, I want to emphasise that the curves are highly contestable. My goal isn't to argue that these particular curves are correct, but rather to encourage readers to think explicitly about what their own curves would look like.
That said, here are my thoughts on your specific points:
Effort of vegan vs carnivore diets: My intuition is that a carnivore diet can often be implemented largely by leaving out certain plant-based foods, whereas a vegan diet usually requires suitable replacements to maintain a nutritionally complete diet. But I can also see arguments in the other direction, especially given that veganism is much more common and socially accepted than carnivore diets in many contexts. What I'm much more confident about is that, for most people currently eating a typical omnivorous diet, eating more animal-based foods is generally easier than eating fewer.
Health risk of vegan vs predominantly animal-based diets: As explained in the assumptions section, I'm comparing reasonably well-planned implementations (better than average, but not theoretically optimal). So "predominantly animal-based" shouldn't be interpreted as a diet centred on red and processed meat (although I think the evidence against unprocessed red meat is relatively weak). My own best judgement is that a well-planned predominantly animal-based diet carries lower health risk than a well-planned vegan diet, but this is certainly contestable.
Wild animal welfare beyond climate change: In principle, the external harm curve is intended to reflect all harms. However, soil animal welfare is a domain with substantial empirical uncertainty. As a result, I currently don't have sufficiently confident views to incorporate those considerations into the curves, but they could certainly matter under some assumptions.
Hi Alistair. Thanks for asking about the effects on soil animals. I think they may be much larger than the effects on farmed animals as I illustrate in the post you linked to. At the same time, I do not know whether decreasing/expanding agricultural land increases or decreases the welfare/suffering/happiness of soil invertebrates.
Thanks! I actually intended culinary enjoyment to be incorporated into the model already. As I write in the Effort section:
The more a diet deviates from the norm in a given context, the greater the associated costs tend to be in terms of time, money, attention, as well as psychological and social costs related to factors such as culinary enjoyment, culture, community, or identity.
So the idea is that giving up culinary enjoyment makes a diet more costly, i.e. more effortful. I decided to include it this way because, like the other factors grouped under effort, I think it tends to have a U-shaped relationship with the proportion of animal-based foods in the diet, making it natural to combine them into a single curve. It also makes the optimisation framework mathematically more elegant by treating all of these as costs to be minimised.
I understand the graphic is only illustrative, but it conveys an overconfidence in the relative magnitude of harm, health risk, and effort among the different dietary options. I think the graphic detracts from the piece.
Thanks for the feedback! I agree that any such graphic inevitably risks conveying more confidence than is warranted. At the same time, I felt it was important to visualise the framework, as I think it becomes much less intuitive if left purely abstract. That was a trade-off I consciously made. As I mention in the footnote:
Although the curves could be aggregated into a single curve once relative weights have been assigned to the different objectives, this is deliberately omitted because doing so could inadvertently endorse one particular weighting and imply a level of quantitative precision the model is not intended to convey. Accordingly, each curve should be interpreted on its own scale in the vertical dimension, so their relative heights do not imply any particular weighting between the objectives.
I'm not sure there's a perfect solution here, but this felt like the best compromise to me.
I sense this is intended to help vegans be more tolerant of non-vegan allies? If so I wholeheartedly agree.Â
One dynamic that I think is missing is that being vegan is probably our best tool to help people erase their inherent speciesm. People can eat animals and still think of them as deserving of moral standing, but I certainly find it more rare. In terms of building effort and activism, I find usually people need to have stopped eating animals/products. That being said, we are finding new pathways besides diet change to people being invested in animal protection. I celebrate that!
Thanks for your comment! Yes, helping vegans be more tolerant of non-vegan allies is certainly one of the intentions behind this post. :)
I also think you raise an important point and I do touch on this to some extent in the following footnote:
For example, many people see veganism not merely as a way of eating, but as an ethical principle according to which animals should not be viewed as resources. The resulting identity and strong commitment to this principle can make veganism appear meaningful and aspirational to some, while making it appear isolating and restrictive to others. Whether these influences ultimately encourage or discourage others depends on how they are perceived, which varies substantially across individuals and socio-cultural contexts.
A clear principle like "don't eat animals" can be a useful heuristic that guides behaviour and makes the underlying moral values more salient. This could be described as reducing speciesism, or more broadly as increasing moral concern for animals. At the same time, because such a principle asks for all or nothing, it may also push some people away.
That said, my impression is that a meaningful proportion of non-vegans genuinely care about farmed animals having good lives, even if they don't question the norm of eating animals itself. At the same time, I agree it does seem comparatively rare for that concern to translate into activism without a vegan identity.
Dietary Choices: A Multi-objective Optimisation Problem
Note: This post is written in a personal capacity. The views expressed here are my own and do not represent those of any organisation Iâm affiliated with. I'm grateful to Elizabeth Crewe, Melanie Joy, Tobias Leenaert, and Felix Werdermann for their valuable input and feedback, which does not imply endorsement of the views presented. The footnotes provide additional context, clarify assumptions, and offer illustrative examples where helpful.
In this post, I explore how we can think more systematically about our dietary choices by making the underlying assumptions and trade-offs explicit. My aim is not to promote a particular diet, but to provide a framework that helps people make choices that align with their own worldviews and individual circumstances, and that also helps identify the sources of disagreement about those choices.
A Framework for Evaluating Dietary Trade-offs
Conceptual Foundations
Our dietary choices have profound consequences on both our own lives and the world around us. At the same time, the question of which diet is âbestâ has no simple answer. Every diet involves trade-offs between competing objectives, and our conclusions about which diet is preferable depend on our normative and empirical assumptions:
Normative: Which objectives should we care about, and how should they be weighted?
Empirical: How well do different diets achieve those objectives, given the available evidence and our individual circumstances?
For example, how much personal sacrifice we should be willing to make in order to reduce our environmental footprint is a normative question, whereas to what degree a particular diet impacts the environment and requires personal sacrifice are empirical questions.
This distinction between normative and empirical assumptions provides the basis for separating value judgements from factual claims.
Practical Application
The figure below presents one possible model for evaluating dietary trade-offs under a particular set of normative and empirical assumptions. Those assumptions are as follows:
Normative: The objectives are to minimise harm to others, health risk to ourselves, and the effort required to follow the diet. The objectives are intentionally broad so that virtually any consideration relevant to dietary choices can be expressed in terms of one or more of them.[1]Â Their relative weighting is deliberately left unspecified.
Empirical: Different dietary patterns perform with respect to these objectives according to the displayed curves. The curves represent the expected outcomes of reasonably well-planned implementations of each dietary pattern under conditions typical of high-income countries, rather than their most common or best possible implementations.[2]Â [3]Â [4]
The vertical dimension is intended to convey the qualitative rather than quantitative features of the curves. The dietary spectrum is intentionally open-ended in both directions, as any choice of endpoints would be arbitrary.[5]Â While different assumptions would lead to different curves, I expect a similar pattern to emerge from a wide range of plausible worldviews and individual circumstances.
The qualitative features of each curve are based on the following reasoning:
External Harm: As diets become increasingly plant-based, they generally reduce animal suffering, climate change, biodiversity loss, pollution, public health risks, food insecurity, and other harms associated with animal agriculture.[6] [7] This is a broad approximation, since individual foods can deviate substantially from this pattern depending on how sustainably they are produced and, in the case of animal-based foods, their welfare standards.[8] While dietary choices may also indirectly affect external harm by influencing the dietary choices of others, these effects are treated as net neutral given uncertainty about their direction and size.[9]
Health Risk: Moving away from diets high in animal-based foods towards more plant-based diets tends to be associated with better health outcomes. However, as diets approach the vegan range of the spectrum, meeting nutritional needs becomes more challenging because certain nutrients are less abundant or less bioavailable.[10] This is a broad approximation, as nutritionally optimised diets and favourable individual biological predispositions can meaningfully reduce health risk on either side of the spectrum.[11] More generally, there is greater uncertainty about the health outcomes of dietary patterns that substantially restrict or eliminate food groups that have formed part of the human diet throughout evolution, particularly with regard to long-term health and critical life stages such as pregnancy, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. This reflects both the limited evidence base for comparatively novel and rare dietary patterns and the broader methodological limitations of nutrition science.[12] A greater health risk is therefore assigned to dietary patterns at either extreme of the spectrum.
Effort: The more a diet deviates from the norm in a given context, the greater the associated costs tend to be in terms of time, money, attention, as well as psychological and social costs related to factors such as culinary enjoyment, culture, community, or identity. Notably, reducing the consumption of animal-based foods is usually more demanding than increasing it because doing so requires suitable alternatives that may be less accessible.[13] Taken together, this is again a broad approximation, since supportive social and food environments can meaningfully reduce the effort required at any point along the spectrum.
Importantly, these objectives are not entirely independent. For example, health matters not only for our individual well-being but also because it keeps us physically and mentally capable of doing good over the long term. Likewise, effort not only affects our quality of life but also creates opportunity costs, as the resources it requires could often create a greater positive impact if directed elsewhere. Moreover, the health outcomes and perceived effort associated with a dietary pattern influence whether others view it as desirable and feasible, thereby affecting its potential for wider adoption. Accordingly, both objectives have instrumental value insofar as they can contribute to reducing external harm, making it less plausible to assign them negligible weight.
Scope and Limitations
Although the framework has been presented in terms of overall dietary patterns, it can equally be applied to individual meals or even individual foods, as the same trade-offs apply at those levels. After all, dietary patterns are simply the cumulative result of those choices.
It is worth emphasising that the normative and empirical assumptions underlying this model are open to reasonable disagreement. They are also likely to evolve over time. For example, advances in nutrition science, progress in alternative proteins, and improvements to food environments could significantly reduce the health risk and effort associated with vegan dietary patterns in the future. On an individual level, both health risk and effort may also decrease as the initial steep learning curve is overcome. Because different assumptions may lead to substantially different curves, I invite everyone to consider how they would draw the curves based on their own worldviews and individual circumstances.
Conclusion
Making dietary choices requires balancing competing objectives under substantial uncertainty. My hope is that the framework outlined here helps people take a more systematic approach by making the underlying assumptions and trade-offs explicit, so they can make decisions that truly align with their values, beliefs, and circumstances. Beyond that, I hope it also contributes to a more nuanced conversation about dietary choices by helping distinguish disagreements about values from disagreements about facts.
On a more personal note, I think of my own dietary choices as a continuous process of learning, reflecting, and updating my views. Throughout this process, I do my best to remain epistemically humble, impartial, and committed to doing the greatest overall good I can. I recognise that not everyone is able or willing to devote this much time to thinking about their dietary choices, nor do I believe it would be the most effective use of everyone's time. For me, however, this topic has become both a professional focus and a personal passion, making this ongoing exploration a more than worthwhile pursuit.
The three objectives represent one of many possible decompositions of the considerations relevant to dietary choices. For example, external harm could be further decomposed into animal suffering, environmental footprint, and other harms. This can reveal trade-offs between different types of external harm that are hidden when they are aggregated into a single objective. The "small body problem" illustrates this: Pasture-raised beef may involve much less animal suffering than factory-farmed chicken because far fewer animals are needed for the same amount of meat, and those animals generally have better lives. However, it may result in a much larger environmental footprint due to higher greenhouse gas emissions. Notably, this assessment is contingent on the nontrivial empirical assumption that the resulting climate change does not cause sufficiently large amounts of wild animal suffering to outweigh the reduction in farmed animal suffering. In general, a more fine-grained decomposition can be particularly useful when evaluating individual foods, whereas the decomposition into external harm, health risk, and effort provides a higher-level perspective on the trade-offs between overall dietary patterns.
Dietary patterns can be implemented in many different ways and therefore perform substantially better or worse with respect to any given objective. For example, one vegan diet may broadly follow a "grains, greens, and beans" approach, while another relies heavily on ultra-processed foods high in fat, salt, and sugar. Similarly, one omnivorous diet may consist primarily of factory-farmed meat and dairy, while another prioritises sustainably caught fish and eggs from mobile pasture systems. Such differences can significantly affect the external harm, health risk, and effort associated with a dietary pattern. More broadly, greater effort often allows a dietary pattern to perform better with respect to external harm and health risk. For example, spending more time on meal planning or supplementation can reduce health risk, while spending more money on higher-welfare animal-based foods can reduce external harm.
The curves also incorporate assumptions about how uncertainty should be accounted for when evaluating dietary patterns. For example, the health risk curve assumes that greater uncertainty about long-term health outcomes should itself contribute to health risk. Likewise, the external harm curve may assume that more indirect and longer-term harms, such as climate change or biodiversity loss, should be discounted to some degree relative to more direct and immediate harms, such as animal suffering, insofar as they are subject to greater uncertainty. Different ways of accounting for uncertainty would therefore result in differently shaped curves.
Although the curves could be aggregated into a single curve once relative weights have been assigned to the different objectives, this is deliberately omitted because doing so could inadvertently endorse one particular weighting and imply a level of quantitative precision the model is not intended to convey. Accordingly, each curve should be interpreted on its own scale in the vertical dimension, so their relative heights do not imply any particular weighting between the objectives.
Veganism illustrates this well because it is an inherently fuzzy concept. Even foods that contain no animal-derived ingredients still involve harm to animals through indirect effects such as climate change, habitat loss, crop deaths, or the use of animal-derived inputs in production systems and supply chains. For any given implementation of veganism, it is possible to imagine another one that takes additional higher-order impacts into account and thereby further reduces harm to animals. Any choice of an endpoint, such as the common definition of veganism in terms of purity at the level of first-order impacts, therefore involves an arbitrary decision.
More plant-based diets often also include more alternative proteins. Greater demand for these products may help accelerate the transition away from factory farming and thereby indirectly reduce external harm over the long term.
Completely eliminating external harm may be fundamentally impossible. Simply by existing, we compete with other sentient beings for limited resources. Accordingly, the external harm curve has a positive lower bound rather than reaching zero.
For example, some animal-based foods, such as mussels, oysters, or small pelagic fish, often cause less external harm than many plant-based foods, while under a narrower set of conditions the same may be true of backyard eggs. Such cases arise because the direct harms caused to animals represent only the first-order impacts of a dietary choice, which may be outweighed by higher-order impacts, such as climate change, biodiversity loss, or wild animal suffering. This is particularly the case when foods are compared on the basis of nutritional value rather than weight or calorie content. Dietary patterns may therefore result in substantially more or less external harm than suggested by the curve depending on the specific foods they contain.
For example, many people see veganism not merely as a way of eating, but as an ethical principle according to which animals should not be viewed as resources. The resulting identity and strong commitment to this principle can make veganism appear meaningful and aspirational to some, while making it appear isolating and restrictive to others. Whether these influences ultimately encourage or discourage others depends on how they are perceived, which varies substantially across individuals and socio-cultural contexts.
This includes nutrients such as protein, vitamins A, D, B2, and B12, calcium, iron, iodine, zinc, selenium, choline, and the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA. It also includes bioactive compounds predominantly found in animal-based foods, such as creatine, carnitine, carnosine, taurine, and anserine, which are sometimes referred to as "carninutrients" and whose physiological importance beyond what the body can synthesise remains uncertain. Meeting nutritional needs in increasingly plant-based diets therefore relies more heavily on careful food selection, supplementation, and endogenous conversion and synthesis. Notably, the efficiency of these endogenous processes depends in part on individual biological predispositions, for example in the conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A or alpha-linolenic acid to EPA and DHA, or in the synthesis of carninutrients from amino acids.
For example, dietary patterns on the animal-based side of the spectrum with a low consumption of processed meats and an emphasis on nutritionally more favourable foods, such as small oily fish and organ meats, would achieve better expected health outcomes than suggested by the curve. Likewise, vegan diets with rigorous supplementation and prioritisation of nutrient-dense foods would reduce, even if not entirely offset, the increase in health risk.
Randomised controlled trials examining the long-term health outcomes of different dietary patterns are generally not feasible. As a result, nutrition science largely relies on observational studies, where factors such as selection bias, measurement error, and confounding limit our ability to distinguish correlation from causation. This makes robust causal inference inherently difficult.
Here, "suitable" refers not only to comparable price, taste, and convenience, but also to comparable nutritional quality. While obtaining sufficient calories is rarely a challenge in high-income countries, reducing the consumption of animal-based foods while still meeting nutritional needs often requires greater knowledge and careful planning.
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Thank you Chris for this great presentation. I think that, for the general public as well as for ambitious individuals, the effort involved (easy, affordable access to food; social acceptance of the diet) remains the decisive factorâassuming that a balanced mixed diet and a vegan diet are roughly equally healthy. Â
Regarding the effort factor, Martin Balluch has created a graph that very clearly illustrates the role that effort plays in decision-making about dietary habitsâespecially when it comes to maintaining a particular diet over the long term.
Link: https://martinballuch.com/die-balluch-kurve/
Thanks for sharing this! The Balluch curve is very much aligned with how I think about effort, and I like that he explores in depth how advocacy can reshape the landscape over time, thereby effectively changing our empirical assumptions. I especially like the visual intuition of people "rolling" towards the local minimum. A very elegant way of thinking about the curves. :)
The only point I'd qualify is the assumption that a balanced mixed diet and a vegan diet are roughly equally healthy. I discuss this in a bit more detail in the section on health risk:
For that reason, I think health risk may be just as decisive as effort, depending on how people weight the different objectives.