I'm curious to hear other's thoughts on they think would be useful.
Please don't hold back ideas! There's very little harm positing silly or unlikely ideas, but there is some potential value (perhaps more than you realize).
Inspired in part by calebo's comment here
An EA Fiscal Sponsor
There are several reasons why small orgs may want nonprofit status or similar. Official nonprofit status can take many months to get in the US, and cost $10-30k of attorney fees.
One solution is to get Fiscal Sponsorship from another trusting org, but I don't believe many EA orgs are focussed on being the Fiscal Sponsor of many new and small groups.
There are already many groups that act primarily as fiscal sponsors for other orgs, so it is a pretty tried-and-true model. https://fiscalsponsordirectory.org
With all of the EA Funds and CEA community grants coming out, I could imagine a lot of groups may want to become more formal organizations.
This fiscal sponsor org would get to learn a lot about what different EA aligned donors do and don't like donating to, so you could imagine it providing a helpful service to donors (and EA orgs) of suggesting them orgs that they may be interested in checking out, based on their donation patterns. I could imagine this being appreciated by the donors given that it could have enough data points to make genuinely useful recommendations when those opportunities arise.
Fiscal sponsorship can be very helpful for new groups!
Though regarding attorney fees:
Official nonprofit status can take many months to get in the US, and cost $10-30k of attorney fees.
Where are you getting this from? Attorney fees are on the order of $2-5k.
https://nonprofitelite.com/how-much-will-it-cost-to-get-501c3-tax-exempt-2/
CPA’s and attorneys who specialize in nonprofit organizations routinely charge $2,500–$5,000 for preparation of IRS Form 1023 applications for small organizations, and $6,000-$15,000 for more complex ventures.
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An org/project that basically provides easy access to a whole bunch of vetted remote talent for EA organizations.
Our ability to scale current direct workers seems important, and one possible way is by augmenting them with lots of remote help. The costs to set up contractor relationships are considerable, so it often doesn't make sense to set up a relationship if an organization would just use it for themselves.
This organization would interview & organize work with many specialized skillsets, and help provide them on demand.
Some ideas of ways to help:
How similar is this to what BERI already does for X-risk organizations? I know they help organizations find contractors for research and web design, and I think they've contracted other types of work in the past.
EA Student Loans
Give out student loans at ~market rates to EAs, with work that is high-impact but lower-than-counterfactual-salary counting as credit towards the loans.
Many talented EAs spend time in college or graduate school TA-ing to save money, or let financial constraints influence their trajectory. It seems risky to just throw money at people with a long time horizon of pay-off, and the risk that they'll just turn around and use that PhD to do unaligned work. This project would require an initial source of funds (perhaps even a traditional bank loan), and a funder that would be willing to commit to pay off the loans once they were satisfied with the impact of the post-graduation work of the debtor.
I believe this idea has been kicking around in my head after a conversation with Amy Labenz.
Seconded. I've loaned someone else money and heard of other loans, and it seems to have worked out pretty well.
A few years ago I lent a total of about $3k to two EAs.
The larger loan was to someone vouched for by a respected member of the community and was to help cover educational expenses. The person wasn't able to find a job, and I didn't get any money back. The smaller loan was not for educational expenses and went to someone not vouched for, and got I got about a third back.
Lending money to students may be a good idea. The standards of hits-based giving may be more relevant than the standards of finance, and a high default rate may be tolerable. I just want people to know that they may not get their money back.
While I like this idea, I'm kind of surprised it reached the top here. I'm curious; do other commenters have come across many people who this would have been helpful for? Can people describe these cases a bit, along with what kind of loan setup would have been most useful?
I was given a student loan by an EA, which I think was likely a major factor in me being able to work on the things I am working on now.
Evaluations-on-Demand
There have been several attempts at making public cost-effectiveness models, but they are often made by people who are working on the relevant research. For instance, organization in area X making an estimate to show that X is cost-effective.
It would be nice to have another agency agree to make their own models, or to go through existing models and check them for validity, similar to a penetration tester.
Anti-extinction website
A website to deter rogue individuals from developing ideas to ‘destroy the world’ by showing that it's just a very bad idea given their values (e.g. A failed attempt will only make the world worse). The website would specifically target people visiting pro-extinction websites or searching the internet for things like ‘how to destroy the world’.
This project would require a very delicate approach and ideally would attract very little attention from people uninterested in destroying the world. We don't want to give anyone bad ideas. The text on it would require careful phrasing. The project probably would need buy-in from knowledgeable stakeholders (FHI, CSER, FLI, EAF, perhaps even the CIA?), a secure website, and very careful targeting.
+1 for originality. Perhaps if it were deemed EV-positive in expectation, it could start as just a well-written blog post on the EA Forum or similar.
For inspiration on implementation, see: Planet Money #915 How to Meddle In An Election
An early stage incubator that can provide guidance and funding for very small projects, like Charity Entrepreneurship but on a much more experimental scale.
To add a bit here; I think there are a bunch of small projects coming up (like all those funded by the Long-Term Fund. They could probably use several kinds of infrastructure. An incubator could be nice, but there could also be other kinds of services provided without quite that specific setup.
A small battalion of people who generate positive interactions when EA comes up on social media.
I read most of the tweets anyone ever writes that mention EA. Sometimes, I'll intervene when I see an inaccurate statement from someone who means well and try to offer a cheerful correction. Or I'll jump into a conversation that's gone south and make a joke to lighten the mood. As one person, I'm not going to shift the tone of an Internet's worth of conversations, but...
...well, what if people knew of EA as "the nicest, most helpful people on the internet"? They might hate our ideas, but what if they couldn't help but admire our honesty, our charitableness, our kindness?
(I've seen Kelsey Piper convert multiple people toward EA positions on Tumblr through relentless application of the virtues above, so maybe I just want an organization full of Kelsey Pipers?)
If done well this could be good, but I worry that a concerted effort will most likely come across as fake or insincere and turn out to be a negative.
I think this could be cool, but agree that the people should be pretty good. Perhaps it would work better with 1-3 "ambassadors" who are specifically chosen for being able to do this well, and do it full-time.
I wouldn't be as enthusiastic about random people trying this with lots of important people online, due to the complexity.
An org devoted to researching measurement methods that are relevant to human welfare. Because no one wants to fund this directly it only gets worked on indirectly at orgs working on other things.
EA Hackathon
A multiple-day event in which people (mostly EA's) work to solve a set of problems. These problems can be in any cause area, as long as a solution could plausibly be cost-effective.
Organizations could send in problem cases, or participants could identify their own. In fact, this thread might already give a nice list of possible problems/solutions to work on!
The event can be made more complex by adding in rounds, which filter the good solutions from mediocre and bad solutions. In further rounds, promising teams/individuals could be matched with a coach. The best few ideas get funding to take the next step in solving the problem (e.g. creating a minimum viable product).
After competing in multiple hackathons, I've found that they rarely produce useful work. It's actually quite a bit of work to extract and formalize problems (from organizations). I feel like around EA, I'm not sure how many problems there are suitable to hackathons.
That said, they can be good for networking / experimenting with working with different groups. I'm happy I went through the hackathons I did, but more for skill building than direct output.
I think overall I'd expect them to be a decent use of a weekend, but would expect the output to be similar
... (read more)I'm quite surprised to see this is the least upvoted of my ideas, as I thought it is a nice meta-suggestion and addresses a big constraint: capacity and coordination to get projects off the ground. Looking at the other suggestions, one think that jumps out is that they are very concrete and have a narrow scope - this makes it easier to see the value and easier to evaluate success, while this project is wider and has a lot left to fill in.
Could anyone comment why they are not upvoting this idea?
An organization dedicated to studying how to make other organizations more effective, that runs small scale experiments based on the existing literature, then helps EA orgs adopt best practices.
Collection and curation of EA content from across the internet in a way that's accessible to newcomers, easily searchable, and will last for decades (at least). Seems like it wouldn't take that long to do a decent job, doesn't require uncommon skills, and could be pretty high-value.
I would be open to paying people to do this; message me if interested.
We have basically all of the technology to do that on the EA Forum as soon as CEA activates the sequences and recommendations features, which I expect to happen at some point in the next few weeks.
Just curious; do you have opinions on the EAHub, and/or thoughts on how it could do better? That seems to be attempting with some of the content work.
I was particularly reminded of this by spending twenty minutes yesterday searching for an EA blog I wanted to cite, which has somehow vanished into the aether. EDIT: never mind, found it.
EA longitudinal studies
I think the movement might benefit from uncovering predictors of value drift / EA specific causes of mental health issues. It would be interesting to see how ideas propagate from the leaders to the followers.
Also, delegating all the surveys to the central planner might make them more well-thought and might make it easier to integrate the results of different surveys into conclusions.
Note that it is possible to do longitudinal analysis with the EA Survey, and we have done some in the past (such as for retention, GWWC pledge keeping, and changes in cause preferences). I'd be happy to help walk people through how they can do their own longitudinal analyses and what the relevant caveats are.
EA e-learning community:
Problem:
EA's are focused a lot on learning, but are doing this inefficiently: they study alone, without a syllabus, often without peers, and without getting feedback and evaluation on their learning outcomes.
Solution:
There are many e-learning tools, much more than just MOOC videos, that can be used, although I'm not familiar with them. A learning community could be created within an existing e-learning platform.
People in EA are smart; a lot of value can be gained by facilitating people help each other through carefully designed learning programs. Q&A's with EA researchers whose work is on the syllabus could be arranged to minimize time needed for teaching. The e-learning course/community could also create structure and accountability to get things done, as well as assist students in signalling their EA-relevant knowledge and skills. For example, they could show they passed a course on 'creating good Fermi estimates'.
I know there was one Discord group for rationalists learning math that seemed pretty useful.
Separately, there's been a decent amount of work on AI specifically. I was personally matched with a few other people near me to learn about ML, and we did have several sessions, which was pretty nice.
I'd encourage more experiments here. One common thread (you'll likely see in several responses) is that I'd encourage you to think small at first, as in an MVP. Maybe some early versions would look like Slack/Discord groups for one specific niche.
If you (anyone reading
... (read more)There's another list that's kept in here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yzmg02j8PnvjlV_KX3Vf_u9TNdAS63N-9xy2txmTg-A/edit#gid=957019158. (Posting to make sure you're aware. I think gathering good ideas is important.)
Cause prioritization tool
Cause prioritization is complex, and going through it takes time. The relevant considerations are often unstructured and require a lot of work to discover. This leads so sub-optimal cause prioritization. This can be done much better.
An interactive cause prioritization tool could help people go through relevant considerations. I am imagining something like the GPP’s flowchart, but where are asked only one question at a time.
Features could include:
It should ideally be community-driven (the community can suggest considerations, and the community can vote on the importance of a particular consideration).
A URL shortening service. It would be nice if, for example, ea.link/sydney took you to the group page for Sydney, ea.link/cost-effectiveness provided a link to a nice landing page for reading more about cost effectiveness and ea.link/forum linked to the ea forum. The Czech EA association currently owns the ea.link URL, but no-one has picked up this project yet.
If people think this is generally good idea I would guess CZEA can make it running in few weeks. Most of the work likely comes from curating the content, not from setting up the service
You can do this for free with Rebrandly, though only the admin account can create links.
Guided meditation recordings for EAs
I think meditation is a very interesting medium for learning that we aren't using much yet. Guided meditation recordings are highly scalable and can be used to deal with specific challenges that (effective) altruists encounter, like these by Holly Morgan, or to teach elements from the Replacing Guilt Series.
I would be very interested in seeing someone do a few of these to test the idea. Plausibly, this only becomes effective once the EA has grown substantially in size.
Two other topics suitably for a guided meditation recording:
An organization/service that helps EA get positive media attention.
This doesn't necessarily mean generating extra news articles about EA, but if a journalist already wants to write about EA or one of our main cause areas, I'd love if they had extremely reliable access to people who know how to talk to journalists, come up with pithy but accurate quotes, etc.
CEA helps EA organizations and groups with the basics of media interaction now, but we're basically reactive; we hear about people who want to do stories, and we talk to them or give advice to those who will be talking with them. I'd love to see something proactive, like a service journalists know they can use to get strong material on AI, poverty, and other such topics.
(This may be doable by having a few people join Help a Reporter, but there's still the question of having folks trained in media interaction.)
Charity Entrepreneurship, but for for-profits.
Would this basically be an incubator? Would it be for EAs only? (If not, what would distinguish it from other business incubators?)
A tool that makes systems modelling (with sinks, flows, and feedback and feedforward loop) as easy as Monte Carlo modelling was made with Guesstimate.
One thing I'd note is that Guesstimate took quite a bit of time (maybe around 1.5 years engineering/PM time.) I'd guess is that if you were to try to pay for someone to make something similar, it could cost quite a bit (>$200k.)
It may be possible to start with simple Python library with some visualizations or similar.
Related: Some "Top Charity Ideas" by Charity Entrepreneurship: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/ykwQCpBxL3qPKAAqx/top-charity-ideas-2019-charity-entrepreneurship
An old LessWrong thread on startup ideas: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/YbCc3NRrr5avvWSHT/who-wants-to-start-an-important-startup
Something interesting to note is that most of these are bottlenecked on two skillsets.
1) Entrepreneurship (unsurprisingly)
2) Ops
I'd agree. I find these skills undervalued in EA compared to research.
That said, for research tasks, it's possible to do much of that in existing orgs; so the marginal new org may not be as relevant. If I instead asked, "what new research areas would you want to see investigated" I imagine I may have had a bunch of results.
An early stage incubator that can provide guidance and funding for very small projects, like Charity Entrepreneurship but on a much more experimental scale.
Thank for clarifying 'the similar wins' point. You seem to imply that these coaching/software/ops support/etc. wins compound on each other.
On the shared Asana space, I'll keep checking in with the EA Netherlands/Rethink/CE coaches working with EA groups/charity start-ups on how time-(in)efficient/(in)convenient it is to keep track of team tasks with the leaders they are mentoring.
From my limited experience, a shared coaching GDoc already works reasonably well for that:
- Upside: Everyone uses GDoc. Easy to co-edit texts + comment-assign questi
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